[Infos] Prochaines màj, dernières révélations et fausses rumeurs V2

[Bobby-du-desert]

Il doit manquer un truc dans ta phrase (ou je n'ai pas compris).
La règle dit que si tu tires un obus de 150mm, il ne pourra pas ricocher sur un blindage de 50mm ou moins, quel que soit l'angle. Mes images montrent les parties du Batchat qui sont blindées à plus de 50mm, donc peuvent provoquer un bounce dans les bonnes conditions, ce qui rejoint les dires de SerB (E-100 shells can ricochet from Batchat, despite the fact the 3-caliber rule is still valid).

Ouais, il manque un truc en effet!

150/3 ça fait 50, donc tes cas ne sont pas des cas ou l'overmatch [par un obus trois fois plus épais que le blindage du char visé] s'applique!

Mais je comprends pas ou tu veux en venir!
SerB parle d'un cas ou la règle semble tordue pour le joueur; donc il prend en exemple celui qui (me) semble être le moins blindé des TX (ou bien il parle de ce char parceque la question était formulée en impliquant un Bat')
Mais il ne dit pas que le tir de 150 tord la règle du triple calibre en tapant sur la partie à 70mm de blindage, ce serait un non sens

[Milyyym]

Mais je comprends pas ou tu veux en venir!
SerB parle d'un cas ou la règle semble tordue pour le joueur; donc il prend en exemple celui qui (me) semble être le moins blindé des TX (ou bien il parle de ce char parceque la question était formulée en impliquant un Bat')
Mais il ne dit pas que le tir de 150 tord la règle du triple calibre en tapant sur la partie à 70mm de blindage, ce serait un non sens

Non, il ne dit pas ça. Il dit qu'un obus de E-100 peut (dans certains cas) ricocher sur un Batchat, et ce même en appliquant la règle des 3 calibres.

Je répondais en fait à ton post #233, où tu semblais penser que SerB avait confondu la règle des 2 calibres qui influe sur la normalisation et celle des 3 calibres qui empêche le ricochet, et te lançais dans des calculs compliqués pour sortir une non pénétration à la place d'un ricochet (je ne sais pas si on peut faire la différence IG d'ailleurs), en disant que le blindage du Batchat peut (dans certains cas => impact au bon endroit avec le bon angle) faire vraiment ricocher des obus de 150mm sans calcul de pénétration, ce qui est rapporté par SilentStalker.
Après, je ne connais pas les paroles exactes de SerB. Il a peut-être donné plus de précisions qui n'ont pas passé la traduction, mais je pense qu'il est resté volontairement dans le flou.

[Bobby-du-desert]

Les paroles de SerB:

- SerB states that E-100 shells can ricochet from Batchat, despite the fact the 3-caliber (SS: caliber of gun 3 times bigger than the nominal armor means no ricochets) rule is still valid

Ma traduction c'est:
"SerB affirme que des obus d'E-100 peuvent ricocher sur un Batchat, malgré le fait que la règle des trois calibres soit toujours valide." (SS: un calibre du canon 3 fois plus gros que l'armure nominale signifie: pas de ricochet)

Du coup, la question à laquelle j'ai essayé de répondre, c'est juste: comment un 150 mm peut ricocher sur 40 mm (Pour moi la formulation de SerB implique qu'un ricochet est possible dans un cas d'application de la règle des 3x, donc avec un blindage <à 50mm, donc un cul de bat')

Mais quand même j'ai l'étrange impression de tourner en rond et d'être le sourd dans cette discussion. J'essaye de réparer mon micro et de passer sur Mumble ce soir ou demain, on se comprendra peut-être mieux à l'oral...

22 parties, 4 victoires cet aprèm, je suis pas vraiment au top de ma forme ce derniers temps, désolé pour mon lag, ma lourdeur...

[Leucha]

Non, il ne dit pas ça. Il dit qu'un obus de E-100 peut (dans certains cas) ricocher sur un Batchat, et ce même en appliquant la règle des 3 calibres.

Et toi ça éveille pas un soupçon de curiosité, cette contradiction ?

[banzai]

Non, il y a des zones où il peut ricocher et d'autres où il ne peut pas.

Je ne vois pas où est la contradiction.

EDIT : Et une nouvelle qui va faire des heureux !

[Milyyym]

Et toi ça éveille pas un soupçon de curiosité, cette contradiction ?

Comme dit Banzai, je ne vois pas de contradiction. Un obus de 150mm peut ricocher sur des zones de blindage de plus de 50mm, zones qui existent sur le batchat.

SerB, du moins dans ce qui a été rapporté par SS, ne dit pas que n'importe quelle partie du batchat peut faire ricocher des obus de ce calibre. Juste qu'un tel obus peut ricocher sur le batchat, sans précision supplémentaire.

La scène telle que mon expérience des forums WoT me la fait imaginer :
- Q : Pourquoi il m'arrive de ricocher sur un batchat avec mon E-100 alors qu'en suivant la règle des 3 calibres c'est impossible ?
- R : Bah si c'est possible (mais je ne te dirais pas comment).

[Psychocouac]

Oh mon dieu. °D

[raaahan]

Oh mon dieu. °D

Oh
My
God
!

[banzai]

Vous êtes long à la détente

[Adimo]

- ” Q: “Why did you remove the log from T-34-3? T-54 and Type 59 have it” A: “Lack of forest” ”

J'ai pas du tout compris la question le log ? logarithme ? log quoi ?

[Alkeas]

J'ai pas du tout compris la question le log ? logarithme ? log quoi ?

Le bambou stick à l'arrière/côté du char pour empaler les Maus à 50 km/h .

[fenrhir]

log = tronc, on va dire

[raaahan]

Important le tronc d'arbre et c'est bien pour ça que le LTP est supérieur au T-127

[Psychocouac]

Trololol le nerf du kv1s passe en valve time avec un split de branche. Et puis on va buff l'is3 aussi il est pas assez OP.

I normally don’t steal forum posts, but this is something I wanted to do yesterday already. Kept it for today, because I didn’t have that much time, but it looks like someone did beat me to it. Enjoy!

There was a RU-stream today with veider (~1hr30mins) where questions regarding balance and future changes were answered. This is a transcript/translation from the Russian language. Expect lots of grammar mistakes. I’ll try to make it as short as possible. Doesn’t include troll questions and answers.

NERFS AND BUFFS

1. T57 Heavy and Foch155 will NOT be nerfed in the next patch (0.8.9) but they will be nerfed in patch 0.9.0.
2. KV-1S will not be nerfed in the nearest future, but devs are considering splitting it into two separate tanks (OP, probably KV-85 and KV-122).
2. A lot of tanks will be buffed in the next patch, but all of them are mid-tier. Don’t expect any T9-10 buffs.
2. Medium tier arty will get a slight buff.
3. VK 4502B may get a buff, but don’t expect that to happen anytime soon.
4. Tanks that will NOT get a buff: AMX 50B, AMX 13 75, T95, T43, Jagdtiger, JgTig 8.8 (regarding Tiger II chasis buff/nerf), KV-5, Maus.
5. Regarding IS-3 remodel, its armor won’t be worse. In fact it will probably be a bit better because of the angles. Also, the tank will be higher. The previous screenshot that you all saw is a work in progress.


NEW FEATURES
1. 7/42 battles will be added later this year. There’s also a new tournament system being tested right now and Veider really likes it.
2. There will be some cool changes in the future, but don’t expect something as big as improved physics of 0.8.0 (OP, Havoc support, complete remodel of all tanks with much more polygons and better textures)
3. Bonuses for tanking (SS: the fact you stand there and soak up damage, eg. heavy tanks)
4. Devs do not like the current matchmaking (like 8TD’s in one team and 2 in the other) and we should expect some new tweaks and changes in the next patches.
5. Much more city maps incoming.

NEW TANKS
1. Object 430 will be added in the future and it will continue the latest USSR MT tree. Object 140 will not be removed from the game and will remain a T10 tank (OP, looks like we will have 3 Tier 10 USSR MTs in the game)
2. New light tanks: RU251 for Germany (~80km/h top speed), Walker Bulldog (will be somewhat a damage dealer) for USA. There’s still a decision to be made about USSR but right now they are considering a “paper” tank. It will have 3 wheels, with a turret that looks somewhat like the T-34-85′s and frontal armor plate which looks like the IS-4′s, but with 90mm armor. Expect more info soon.

LITTLE BIT OF THIS, LITTLE BIT OF THAT
1. There were changes in the mapmaking process and team so maps will be more balanced.
2. Reworked “old” maps were made by this team.
3. Veider dislikes Redshire in its current form. He wants it completely remade.
4. Veider thinks that Foch155 is a bit imbalanced

Q: Why did you change the Super Pershing?
A: it had a huge mistake in its collision model and “had something that it wasn’t meant to have.”

Q: Why was the T-50-2 removed?
A: Its role was way too different than what it had in real life. Besides, it was pretty imbalanced. So it was either change it for another tank or nerf it REALLY hard.

Q: You’re such a fans of “historically accurate” tanks. Do you plan to make IS-7 historically correct?
A: No. If we do this, we will have to move him up to Tier 12 or higher.

Q: Do you think that E-25 is imbalanced?
A: Statistics say otherwise. Easy to learn, hard to master.

Q: When can we expect to see garage battles?
A: Probably never. We do not think it’s a good idea.

Q: Another history question. How historically accurate is the IS-4?
A: Not very much because we gave it a new gun. It had only D25-T IRL.

Q: Why did you even release E-series paper tanks with paper engines only to remove them?
A: People change, audiences change, market change, new competitors.

Q: Competitors? Afraid of WarThunder?
A: Yes. But competition is always a good thing.

Q: Why do you sell T-34-3 and 112 only via web-store and do you plan to sell all of the other premium tanks via web-store as well?
A: No. We won’t change anything regarding current and future premium tanks. Selling Chinese premium tanks via web-store only is just a test.

Q: World of Warplanes or WarThunder?
A: I played both of them and liked them both. WoWP is easier to learn.

Q: You nerf and buff tanks according to the winrate of those tanks. Has something changed?
A: A lot. Now we also consider the number of battles, average experience, current tendencies and opinion of the community. That’s why we nerfed the T57 Heavy and Foch 155 in the first place, even when they don’t have the winrate ratio necessitating a nerf.

Q: Why did you nerf arties and buff TDs?
A: Almost every tournament game was heavily dependent on arties. We tried to shift this tendency a bit and we kind of succeeded. TDs were not used in tournament games so we buffed them to be more usable.

Q: Do you plan to nerf TDs to their previous state? With arty nerf there’s lots of TDs in matchmaking.
A: We’re currently investigating this situation but it’s too soon to tell because not much time has passed since the arty nerfs.

Q: T95 needs a buff!
A: No. The T95 is an awesome tank with unique play style. The only bad thing about it is its weak engine.

Q: So about that new German TD tree. Those TDs have almost no armor, are slow, but have very powerful guns. Is this statement correct?
A: Hmmm… Yes.

[JulLeBarge]

Ils abandonnent les batailles de garage ? il me semblait avoir lu récemment que c'était en test et que ça allait sortir bientôt !
Franchement il serait temps qu'ils se bougent pour d'autres modes de jeu (autres que je prends un map et je déplace les spawns...).

[Thonyo_again]

4. Tanks that will NOT get a buff: AMX 50B, AMX 13 75, T95, T43, Jagdtiger, JgTig 8.8 (regarding Tiger II chasis buff/nerf), KV-5, Maus.

Dommage, j'aurais bien aimé un petit buff du aiming time, histoire que ce soit encore plus jouissif

[banzai]

- there will be no option to enable the old statistics window in settings
- new crew skills aren’t coming anytime soon
- devs considered increasing the amount of slots for equipment, but decided not to do it, because “the choice of what to put on a tank is also a part of the gameplay, the more you can mount on your tank, the lesser the role this part of gameplay has”
- Storm states that big game releases (such as BF3, Warcraft datadisk, GTA5) have almost no impact on WoT playerbase, there have been temporary short drops by several percent


- Storm confirms that the difference between the MM weight of both teams must be lower than 10 percent
- the fact you can see the destruction of objects by a tank that’s not seen yet by your team is intentional
- more convenient mechanism for searching players for companies and platoons is planned
- Storm states that the distance from bush to tank (specifically the 15 meters rule) is measured from the center of the bush to the center of the tank, but he’s not absolutely sure
- Storm (regarding the packet loss issue in 0.8.8) states there has not been any engine update in the patch, but it seems the 0.5.3 WoWp now has the same issue
- Q: “SerB, why do you think the game that is supposed to be relaxing provokes so many negative emotions in many players?” A:”I think that this is because ‘many players’ are immature, envious and they blame everyone but themselves for their failures”
- the tank with best camo factor in 0.8.8? “Won’t be disclosed”
- the possibility to “prolong” the time remaining on camos brought by credits (SS: for example you buy camo, then it’s 3 days left and you want to prolong it by buying another week) is not there, because in order to introduce it the devs would have to make the system more complicated, it won’t be done in the future
- consumables that increase crew XP gain? “Wait for announcements”

[Aerial]

”I think that this is because ‘many players’ are immature, envious and they blame everyone but themselves for their failures”

[Cowboy]

http://carol.bennette.org/feeders/wp...f_approval.jpg

J'aurais plutot dit l'adrenaline ...

[fenrhir]

J'aurais plutot dit l'adrenaline ...

Quand tu fais des activités qui provoquent des rush d'adrénaline, mais avec un bon état d'esprit, tu réagis pas comme un sombre connard frustré.
Genre, après un saut en parachute, tu vas pas aller insulter les mecs qui ont sauté avec toi parce que le saut a duré trop peu de temps...
Et quand tu fais une grosse partie de paintball ou d'airsoft bien tendue, t'en viens pas aux mains avec tes équipiers parce qu'un mec a mal couvert ton flanc...

C'est avant tout le fait d'être frustré et incapable de l'assumer qui fait rager contre les autres, là-dessus Silentstalker a raison, pour la majorité des cas en tout cas.

[Cowboy]

Genre, après un saut en parachute, tu vas pas aller insulter les mecs qui ont sauté avec toi parce que le saut a duré trop peu de temps...

Va pour la frustration et l'adrenaline.

Et quand tu fais une grosse partie de paintball ou d'airsoft bien tendue, t'en viens pas aux mains avec tes équipiers parce qu'un mec a mal couvert ton flanc...

Ca depend des personnes.

[bonobo]

Va pour la frustration et l'adrenaline.

Pour ressentir une montée d'adrénaline il faut être capable de comprendre l'impact de ce que tu es entrain faire dans la partie. Ce qui est manifestement loin d'être le cas pour la population dont il est question ici.

Ca depend des personnes.

Merci captain obvious :smile:

[fenrhir]

Va pour "être un mec imbu de lui-même incapable de se remettre en question et de gérer sa propre" frustration et l'adrenaline.

Ca depend des personnes.

Merci de ne pas oublier l'essentiel du propos.

M'enfin, ça m'étonne pas que tu aies ce genre d'idée, toi qui n'a pas hésité à TK et empêcher une victoire parce qu'un allié n'avait pas agit comme tu le souhaitais

[Cowboy]

Merci captain obvious :smile:

Et quand tu fais une grosse partie de paintball ou d'airsoft bien tendue, t'en viens pas aux mains avec tes équipiers parce qu'un mec a mal couvert ton flanc...

Il n'a pas dis "tout le monde n'en viens pas aux mains" mais "tu n'en viens pas au mains"
Il etait clair que ca concernait tout le monde sans exception. D'ou le "Ca depend des personnes".

Pour ressentir une montée d'adrénaline il faut être capable de comprendre l'impact de ce que tu es entrain faire dans la partie. Ce qui est manifestement loin d'être le cas pour la population dont il est question ici.

Merci captain obvious.
On peut tous remarquer IG que tout les joueurs ne pleurent pas apres l'equipe, mais seulement quelque un. D'ou le "et".

[fenrhir]

Et tous les joueurs ne sont pas mis à cran par le jeu.
Aucun problème donc... Les frustrés égocentriques sont frustrés de nature et pas à cause du jeu.
Les autres ne le sont que ponctuellement et profitent beaucoup plus du fin apporté par le jeu.
CQFD.

[sucemoncabot]

... mais seulement quelque un. ...

Masculin pluriel de quelqu’un.
Aussi fou que cela puisse paraître il y a non seulement un S à quelques, mais aussi à uns.

[bonobo]

Il n'a pas dis "tout le monde n'en viens pas aux mains" mais "tu n'en viens pas au mains"
Il etait clair que ca concernait tout le monde sans exception. D'ou le "Ca depend des personnes".



Merci captain obvious.
On peut tous remarquer IG que tout les joueurs ne pleurent pas apres l'equipe, mais seulement quelque un. D'ou le "et".

Fais chier. C'est contagieux ton absurdité. T'as pas plutôt envie de te mettre aux blagues a la con, ça emmerde personne et parfois c'est marrant.

[banzai]

- the option to buy an additional crewmember with 4 skills when you have the rest of the crew with 4 skills and need one more for the next vehicle won’t be implemented
- Q: “Where can the players whine about buffs/nerfs of tanks?” A: “Nowhere. It’s possible to actually whine about some specific parameters we try to make as historical as possible, for example ‘the speed is not correct’ or ‘I found the correct armor scheme, that is different from the one in game’. Generally however it’s absolutely pointless to whine about tank balance”


- the special “bell” sound when you damage the enemy module (crits) won’t return (SS: anyone has any idea what that is?)
- Object 907 will remain a reward tank, it definitely won’t be implemented as a regular tank
- there is no WG department dealing with conflicts between WoT and 3rd party software (SS: for example the Mumble issues after 8.0)
- there will be a possibility to retrain a tanker from one role to another without any loss of XP (for example radioman to loader), this will however definitely not come in 0.8.9 (it will be possible to do without any crew XP loss, but for gold)
- Storm on MM weight exceptions: “Actually it would be best if there weren’t any exceptions. They not only complicate the MM function, but they also complicate the understanding of players of how MM works. We do them only in exceptional cases.”
- the system that would increase crew skill effectivity based on how many players did the player have with them (SS: as in, a crew with 100 repair and 10k battles would get 10 percent bonus compared to the crew with 100 repair and 1k battles for example) won’t be implemented
- apparently there is another “T-54-like” candidate for a top tier tank (not necesserily Soviet): “When you see it, you’ll be very surprised” (SS: recently the info about a “light tank” T-54 has surfaced again… who knows?)
- when the researchable hulls come, it’s possible some vehicles (specifically those that are prototype/paper projects) won’t have 2nd hulls displayed
- it’s theoretically possible that the Japanese heavy branch will – until lowtier heavy candidates are found – temporarily start from the medium branch (like it is now with the Chinese)
- dynamic tank hangar characteristics: “when it’s done it’s done”
- reward/gift tanks are in the “group of high interest” when it comes to balance

- RNG won’t be reduced
- the feature of AFK tanks camping in base exploding one second after the last enemy tank has been killed (getting repair damage) has been around for a long time (SS: funny, never noticed that)
- skill MM won’t be implemented
- there will be more various combat missions
- 100 percent crew skill reset for credits won’t be implemented
- companies will not be changed for now, but new 7vs7 format will be introduced


- there will be special platoon searching interface (the way companies have it now)
- Storm states about the results of the increased gun accuracy: “For now it all looks pretty well”
- HE shell explosion can bring down trees. SerB states that the radius in which the trees will fall is not equal to HE splash radius, as the trees need to be dealt a certain amount of damage before they fall, so the radius is somewhat smaller. HE shells from nonartillery guns can also bring down trees
- TD’s do not have better shell spread within the aim circle than other classes
- the reason gun barrels are so hard to actually damage is that the devs don’t want everyone running around with damaged barrels
- it’s completely possible that the researchable hulls will bring the Panzer IV, StuG and Panzer III with Schürzen (additional side armor)
- there was no accuracy nerf in last 2 patches
- Q: “In this battle, I recieved only a little more experience than the guy who did 0 damage, that’s unfair” A: “That means you played only a bit better than the AFKer. Upgrade your skill.”
- SerB doesn’t consider it a problem that with the gun accuracy buff, several heavily armored vehicles (T95, Tortoise) get critted more often
- the hit ration of inaccurate derp guns rose with the gun accuracy buff “proportionally with the rest of the guns”
- SerB says he doesn’t like any player ratings, he judges player skill by winrate: “Because the damage done, scouting, hitrate etc. are all only means to the end, that is the victory”
- in WoWp, good players win much more often than in WoT, bad players lose more often too.
- company player stats will be separated from the general stats, platoon stats will stay within the general player stats (“who is preventing you from making a platoon with your friends?”) – at this moment some players start whining about platoons being in advantage, SerB states that it’s simply the way humans are: coordination brings better results
- reload timer in seconds: when it’s done it’s done (SS: most likely 8.9)
- Q: “A lot of battles end with 0-15 results for me, will this change in the future?” A: “It will, when you stop screwing up.”
- support service won’t refund you credits, if you sell a tank by accident (“kindergarten for players is over”)
- the twin-linked 122mm ST-I won’t be implemented for now, it’s just an idea
- Q: “Will you fix the game lags with Telia.net?” A:”Unfortunately, we haven’t bought Telia yet”
- some Soviet vehicles (T-70, SU-76) had two engines, linked together. SerB states that if one was knocked out, the vehicle couldn’t move, the other was blocked too.
- SerB won’t participate in streams: “no time for that, sorry”
- manual selection of “important achievements” (for first page of Service Record) is not planned
- in 9.0, the graphics improvement will start by implementing new lighting filters
- apparently the principle on how gold consumables work won’t be reworked (SS: as in, they being useable more than once for example)
- there won’t be a possibility to put the flags/inscriptions wherever you want
- SerB states there is a protection from bogus complaints in the complaint system in game
- if you have two accounts on one computer with Windows, you can save both accounts’ different settings by logging to each account under a different Windows user

[fenrhir]

Merci !

some players start whining about platoons being in advantage, SerB states that it’s simply the way humans are: coordination brings better results

"Scandaleux, les gens qui font du teamplay dans un jeu multijoueur par équipe gagnent plus souvent". Connards de couineurs.

[raaahan]

- SerB says he doesn’t like any player ratings, he judges player skill by winrate: “Because the damage done, scouting, hitrate etc. are all only means to the end, that is the victory”

Bah voilà qui est bien dit