Fallout 3 : Mauvais Fallout, RPG médiocre, Jeu de picnic convenable

[Ash_Crow]

Si.

[L'invité]

Si.

Merci.

[Angelina]

Je vous colle le synopsis d'IMDB. Ne vous renseignez pas trop dessus, c'est hautement spoiliatif...

A father and his son walk alone through burned America. Nothing moves in the ravaged landscape save the ash on the wind. It is cold enough to crack stones, and when the snow falls it is gray. The sky is dark. Their destination is the coast, although they don't know what, if anything, awaits them there. They have nothing; just a pistol to defend themselves against the lawless bands that stalk the road, the clothes they are wearing, a cart of scavenged food--and each other.

[Arthur Rabot]

Excellent roman d'ailleurs.

Quant au topic du post-apo, je ne pense pas qu'il manquerait de matière.

[Angelina]

Je réflèchi à quoi mettre en premier post en fait...

Je pense qu'une filmographie/ bibliographie, qui débuterait autour des 60's serait pas mal..

[Cedski]

Ouais ça pourrais être sympa. Bonne idée !

[Courtequeue]

Bonne idée.
On est tous foutu, autant se préparer au pire

[L'invité]

Ba commence apr mettre des conseils en cas de catastrophe nucléaire pour mettre dans l'ambiance toussa!

[Cedski]

Ouais de toute façon notre génération se battra pour les dernière gouttes de pétrole, préparons-nous en piochant les meilleures idées dans la littérature, le cinéma, et les jeux vidéo post-apo.
On pourra même créer une société secrète, et je connais bien mes montagnes, pour voir ou y creuser un vault (Dors et déjà baptisé : "Vault 38").
Oui je craque. Demain les vacances.

[Ash_Crow]

Hop, je viens de tomber là-dessus :
Une armée de paladins de la confrérie prête à envahir les magasins :


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[Cedski]

Ca, c'est le genre de truc qui te fait un sacré nombre de points au concours du plus gros Geek de la planète....

[Arcanum-XIII]

Ils me font penser au cyclon de Battlestar Galactica. Non?

[Slayertom]

Il y a le site http://www.post-apocalypse.co.uk/ qui référence pas mal de film post apo dont certains sont parmis les pires navet que le cinéma ait pu produire et d'autres sont excellent (j'ai decouvert children of man dessus).

[Anaal Nathrakh]

On dirait des Stormtroopers s'étant accouplés à des Nécrons(wh40k).

[leroliste]

Moi je dis, parlons du post apo, un peu de hs ne peut que faire du bien à ce topic, parce que là...

Alors, vous pensez qu'on la vivra de notre vivant a nous la putain d'apocalypse?

Vous vous y preparez de temps en temps, le soir, en rêvant de mondes detruits?

Qu'est ce que vous feriez en premier, si demain, c'etait detruit partout, mais alors, vraiment partout?

[Ash]

2012

[Septa]

2012

Non le LHC commence les test demain... On va donc tous se faire bouffer par des trous noirs sous peu...

Ha moins que ça fasse un truc à la black mesa...

[Ironbob]

ben rien en fait... sorry

[BLEC]

Ca va être de la méga-bombe !

[L'invité]

J'ai lu sur une interview (chopée sur cette antre du diable qu'est le blog de bethesda) où ils disaient que les armes s'userait en les utilisant et qu'elles seront donc de moins en moins précise... Et pour remedier à ca il faudra les réparer (avec le skill réparer évidemment).
Bon voilà c'était juste pour apporter une petite info. Pas très très intéressant mais c'est toujours ça...

[Arthur Rabot]

J'espère qu'elles se pèteront moins vite que dans Oblivion quand même.

[L'invité]

Moi je dis ça serait sympa d'inclure une notion de qualité de fabrication de l'arme (et donc coûte plus ou moins cher) pour déterminer la vitesse d'usure... (doit bien y avoir des rpg qui le font, je connais des jdr papier qui utilisent ce genre de notions (pour des effets un peu différents mais bon))

[Sidus Preclarum]

http://static.bethsoft.com/blog/BOS2.JPG

[Pluton]

Une double-news amusante sur NMA :
D'un côté pourquoi Fallout 3 sera naze (preview) :

I was also free to wander the countryside, tuning into a couple of available radio stations while (hopefully) evading a few roving bandits and getting into the occasional scrap with an animal, which would be a great opportunity to learn how the semi-turn-based VATS combat system works. Fallout 3 is all about freedom, and the demo certainly got that across.

So why am I so unsatisfied?

Maybe it's that this demo did little to show how Fallout 3 is truly different from Oblivion. Ok, the lock-picking mini-game is slightly different (and better) but the dialogue trees, skill breakdowns and overall feel seem so much like Oblivion, at least in this early stage of the game, that the untrained eye could mistake it for a mod.

Combat is one place where the two games really diverge, but how can I really see that playing as a level-two noob with a couple of weak machine pistols? I had a difficult time fending off dogs and even a couple humans weakened from exposure and hunger. Not terribly appealing. Why not start the demo deeper into the story, where better weapons and skills could make the combat differences between Oblivion and Fallout 3 glaringly apparent? Or are they really as different as we've been told?
(...)
At E3, Fallout 3 made a lot of "best of show" lists. I'm sure Bethesda is thrilled with that. Even in an E3 that felt positively anemic on the game front, being called out as one of the five or 10 most crucial is significant. But I don't see it. I've been told for months that this is a dramatic step forward from Oblivion, but very little of the open-ended demo I had supported that claim.

Boum Headshot !

Et de l'autre 5 raison d'aimer Fallout 3 chez Bigdownload :

1t's Fallout!

This goes without saying for any fans of the previous Fallout games, but we still have to say it for newcomers: While there are nay-sayers who will denounce the game for it's chosen style of combat -- which we'll get to later -- we think the change is for the betterment of the series. The reason for our opinion on this is two-fold. Developers like Bethesda are most passionate about a title when it's something they really want to do and such is the case for Fallout 3 in its current form. Secondly, we've had three games with the classic isometric style combat and it was about time for something new. People are always clamoring for innovation and change and that is exactly what Bethesda is trying to accomplish.

The world of Fallout is also fully intact in terms of aesthetic and spirit. If you had any doubts of that fact, the E3 2008 trailer for the game should put any uncertainties to rest. After you've seen the Bloody Mess perk in action -- the giblets flying this way and that -- you should feel a certain calm wash over as you nod your head in approval. This is most certainly Fallout.

In the end, what we should all be able to agree upon is that Bethesda seems to have really embraced the dirty world, gory lore and humorous double-point-and-wink of Fallout.

05/08/08

Bethesda

This brings us to the second reason to be excited for Fallout 3, Bethesda. These guys are obviously huge fans of the previous games, but they're also wonderfully talented developers. The biggest fault anyone who played The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion could find was that the world, it's people and generally the lore itself was kind of bland and arguably trite in some ways.

None of that is fully Bethesda's fault, though. Creating your own IP can be both challenging and expensive in terms of time and money, which are two things a developer requires to create a great game. It's reasonable to think that this is part of the reason they bought the Fallout license.

So what it comes down to is that Bethesda are amazing game designers. They think up wonderfully creative ideas and do everything they can to implement them perfectly (or nearly so) in their games. Some observation of the E3 2008 live demos will reveal their little touches like the in-game radio, thematically correct yet functionally elegant user interface and a pretty convincing hacking mini-game as well.

Combat with V.A.T.S.

When it was announced that Fallout 3 would eschew the classic isometrically viewed turn-based RPG combat system for something from the third/first-person-shooter world, there was a lot of fan upheaval. The biggest problem was that explaining how the V.A.T.S. system would look, feel and -- most importantly -- function wasn't done in such as way that it lowered worries of a run-and-gun Fallout game devoid of any strategic planning. Essentially, it wasn't shown to everyone yet.

Fast-foward to now and a look at the recent gameplay videos floating about shows plenty of strategic thought to be had. While the game seems to be playable as an action-only affair, it's entirely possible and almost preferable to pause the game and take an aimed shot with your action points once in a while. In other words, it should appeal to a broader audience than before, which includes the original players of Fallout and it's sequel. This is something that is arguably more important as it will help determine if we see expansions and/or further games entirely.

Of course, with old worries being removed come brand new worries sprouting up. Some people are wondering if the pause, queue up moves and subsequent cinematic camera shot gameplay will get old. Those are the people who don't really like RPGs much and will probably try and play (or wish they could play) most of the game as though it were Call of Duty. The beauty of the combat in Fallout 3 is that you should be able to achieve a balance. Play it like a turn-based RPG for a while and then take a few shots in real-time with your preferred weapon or something like that. We won't know until the game ships, but we've got a sneaking suspicion that gameplay is going to become a rhythmic back-and-forth of real-time and turn-based

The mod scene

Never underestimate the power of the mod community, they take a game that was great and make it sublime. Bethesda has always embraced the modding community, which is why we love them so much here at Big Download. One of the untouchable boons of PC gaming is being able to download and install (for free!) mod packs that today, can be nearly as good -- in their own right -- as official expansions.

We fully expect to see an eventual attempt at a mod that converts the entire game of Fallout 3 into the classic isometric version of the originals, complete with a classic user interface. Whether or not it works or is even good is yet to be seen, but we're sure that such a mod will in fact happen. That's how crazy-strong the mod community is for PC games that embrace it

Beginnings and endings

The way that Fallout 3 has players starting out the game is, well, awesome. Learning the movement controls while you crawl around as a baby in the crib is one example of how Bethesda is approaching character creation and tutorials this time around. Another example of character creation is figuring out your starting skills by taking a test called G.O.A.T. during your schooling years. You don't have to take the test if you don't want to and instead can choose to cheat or talk your way out of it altogether. So basically, there's no one screen where you make your character. What players will be doing is playing the first early point of the game as their character growing up and shaping what they'll be like when they first step out of the Vault. That's something we haven't seen any game pull of yet -- so here's hoping.

And then we have around 500 endings waiting for us at the end of the game. Realistically speaking, the endings are of course going to be mutable, where various choices during your trek throughout the game will tweak the eventual ending. Multiple endings can be a lot of fun when they're done right and so we also hope Bethesda pulls this off as well. If they do, we're not really sure when we'll be able to stop playing Fallout 3

Voilà voilà...

Ce que j'aime bien c'est que lorsqu'on réclame du T/T dans une licence qui a toujours été basée dessus et parce que trop peu de jeux récents sont en T/T, on est catalogué immédiatement dans les "fans".

[L'invité]

...
Ca dit quoi en gros?
Parce que je sais lire l'Anglais mais là ça m'emmerde franchement de me traduire ce pavé...

[Pluton]

...
Ca dit quoi en gros?
Parce que je sais lire l'Anglais mais là ça m'emmerde franchement de me traduire ce pavé...

Désolé mais si je résume on va me traiter de fan truc ou de hate machin Je demande à quelqu'un d'autre de s'en charger.

[Ash_Crow]

http://www.chinahighlights.com/image...warriors-b.jpg

J'y ai pensé aussi quand j'ai vu les images.

[L'invité]

J'y ai pensé aussi quand j'ai vu les images.

Pareil...
Et ça me fait penser aussi à un film génialissime en ce moment: La Momie 3... OU putain c'est tellement mauvais que ça en est trop bon. (par contre heureusement que je suis allé le voir au ciné gratos...)
(voila ça c'était juste pour pas mettre 1 seul mot en réponse...)

[Micerider]

Désolé mais si je résume on va me traiter de fan truc ou de hate machin Je demande à quelqu'un d'autre de s'en charger.

Et probablement à raison, vu que tout ce qui a été linké est loin d'être absolument négatif ou positif, et à plusieurs moments, les auteurs laissent transparaître un certain enthousiaste, mais sans plus.

Le "pire" truc que j'ai pû lire (du premier article donc), c'est que le jeu ressemble un peu trop à Oblivion, ce qui en soit n'est pas défaut rédhibitoire, juste un aveu de déception par rapport à l'orientation de gameplay prise. Et que pour certains, il ne méritait pas le "Best of E3", ce qui ne signifie pas "ouech, cay tro mauvay!".

A part ça, il y a quelques commentaires qui disent que l'ambiance Fallout est très bien retranscrite. D'autres qui disent que les combats en "demi-pause" sont un peu confus mais sympa quand-même.

Bref, rien de bien méchant ou transcendant.

Ce que je remarque, c'est que Big Download apprécie le jeu en tant que tel, et se cassent pas le cul avec des comparaisons Oblivion/Fallout 1 & 2. Soit parcequ'ils n'y ont pas joué, soit parcequ'ils se contrebattent les testicouilles de cette comparaison et essaye juste de voir en quoi Fallout 3 pourrait être amusant, quel que soit ton background vidéoludique.

[Ash_Crow]

Hop, je réponds dans ce fil, la news étant maintenant en deuxième page ça sera plus visible ici :

Ce que j'apprécie dans une partie d'Oblivion, c'est d'inventer mon historie dans mon coin, d'explorer, de voler. C'est un gameplay spécifique et satisfaisant, souvent hors des clous...

Après, ce genre de gameplay, avec des faiblesses certaines on est d'accord, n'a pas lieu d'être repris à l'identique, plus de 2 ans après, dans un Fallout.

Marrant, c'est typiquement ce que j'attends depuis l'annonce d'un Fallout made in Bethesda : la liberté d'explorer des Elder Scrolls, dans le wasteland. C'est peut-être pour ça que j'attends encore avec intérêt ce jeu, comparé à d'autres ici...

(note: je me suis permis de muter les k en q dans la citation de ton message, Boulon, j'espère que ça ne te dérange pas.)