[Roguelike] Dungeon Crawl - masochisme et tourisme souterrain

**Patate** · 24/12/2014, 08h56

Tu as essayé en mode admin ?

**grumz** · 24/12/2014, 09h53

ça ne change rien en mode admin.

**Ondoval** · 24/12/2014, 10h26

Attends quelques tours que Xom se calme et réinitialise ta piété, le jeu devrait se lancer après cela.

**grumz** · 24/12/2014, 11h23

En faite c'est parce que je l'installais pas dans le dossier x86 de ouindoze qu'il devait pas kiffer.

**Gigax** · 24/12/2014, 13h07

Ah ça fait plaisir de voir remonter ce topic

J'ai gagné ma troisième partie et mon deuxième 15 runes, mais toujours avec un minautaure. J'arrive vraiment pas à dépasser les vault avec des caractères plus exotiques. Là, mon perso que j'aime bien jouer c'est l'OpFi. Une crêpe, mais c'est assez drôle.

**Gobbopathe** · 28/12/2014, 14h38

Ma 2ème victoire après un bourrin était avec un Spriggan Enchanter, si ça peut te donner des idées

**Lameador** · 02/01/2015, 09h01

Bonjour, je réessaie crawl et j'ai un MiFi (religion The Shining One) bien parti

J'aurais besoin de conseils s'il vous plait :
* Comment gérer les adversaires à distance. Je pensais à développer "Evocations" et collectionner les baguettes, est-ce viable ?
* Est-ce que Unarmed Combat augmente la force de mes Headbutts ? Est-ce une bonne idée d ele développer sachant que mon arme principale est Mace&Flails ?
* Comment exporte les ficheirs de personnage comme vous le faites ?

**Dodo** · 02/01/2015, 09h46

- Pour les adversaires a distance généralement le mieux est de reculer jusqu'a un escalier et de faire du "stair dance" tu descends/remonte jusqu'a avoir quelqu'un qui remonte avec toi et tu le tues. Développer les baguettes ca va etre fastidieux et a la fin ca sert plus a grand chose de toute facon.
- UC augmente les dégats et la chance de toucher oui, mais bon ca reste bien au début et marginal a la fin, autant bien monter tes comps clé: arme/fighting/invocation/armor/shield
- ca dépend si tu joues online ou en local. Normalement ton perso et stocké dans la "morgue" (meme si il est encore en vie).

Pour ceux qui veulent gagner avec autre chose qu'un MiFi, les conjurateurs spé firestorm sont assez puissants (si votre but est de tout buter) pour peu qu'ils survivent suffisamment longtemps.

**Gobbopathe** · 02/01/2015, 10h13

Pour les skills ok avec Dodo. Plutot que les wands, monte Evocation surtout si tu tombes sur une ou deux rods sympas qui pourraient faire le boulot à distance
Pour le chemin de la morgue, que je peine toujours à trouver aussi, regarde le bien il est indiqué en jeu quand tu cliques sur le bouton d'export de perso. Ou fait une recherche Windows "morgue", à moins que tu sois cataphile tu ne devrais pas en trouver des masses

**Dodo** · 02/01/2015, 10h36

Et invocation avec the shining one c'est vraiment fort. Apres je pense que mace&flails est devenu bien faiblard comparé a hache depuis que les haches tapent sur zone

**Brouzouf** · 02/01/2015, 11h43

Selon moi, la hache, c'est devenu la meilleur arme de càc depuis que ça tape sur 7 cases. En 1v1, c'est un peu moins bon, mais on est rarement en 1v1 dans dcss.

**Gigax** · 02/01/2015, 14h15

Euh, pour les persos à distances, je te conseille de prendre une arbalète (triple crossbow) avec ton MiFi. Ça découpe les bonhommes et avec ta hautre strengh, tu tapes pas si lentement que ça.

Sur ma dernière partie, j'avais un MiFi qui lançait des firestorm

**Lameador** · 02/01/2015, 17h44

Merci pour ces réponses. J'ai trouvé quelques artefacts/objets sympas et des baguettes puissantes (haste, boule de feu, désitégration, ...) d'où le souhait de Evocation. Je ssavais pas que Inovcation servait beacoup avec TSO

Autres questions :
* est-ce qu'esquive est utile avec une armure lourde (j'ai l'impression que non) ?
* ou stocker mon équipement "à garder pour plus tard" ? Au temple du niveau 5 ?
* le problème des haches pour moi c'est que :
- les haches à deux mains sont séduisantes et je manque bien trop de self-cotnrol
- les hydres ont tendance à devenirs taquines quand on leur coup des têtes

Me voici :

Tappo the Fighter (Minotaur Fighter) Turns: 14849, Time: 01:15:15

HP 102/119 AC 27 Str 26 XL: 13 Next: 30%
MP 17/17 EV 15 Int 3 (5) God: the Shining One [****..]
Gold 1568 SH 14 Dex 17 (20) Spells: 0 memorised, 12 levels left

rFire . . . SeeInvis . u - +4 morningstar (protect)
rCold . . . Clarity . D - +6 scale mail of Trumpets {Str+1 Dex+3}
rNeg + + + rCorr . c - +0 shield
rPois . rRot . j - +0 hat of Hangman {rN+ Dex+2}
rElec . Spirit . (no cloak)
SustAb . Warding . q - +0 pair of gloves
rMut + Stasis . (no boots)
Gourm . K - amulet of resist mutation
MR ..... y - +4 ring of strength
l - +4 ring of protection

@: glowing, not resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, slimy green scales 1, deterioration 1
a: Divine Shield, Cleansing Flame, Renounce Religion

You are on level 9 of the Dungeon.
You worship the Shining One.
The Shining One is greatly pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 17 of its levels.
You have visited 1 bazaar.

You have collected 1734 gold pieces.
You have spent 166 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
a - a +0 antimagic dire flail
s - a +1 mace of protection
u - a +4 morningstar of protection (weapon)
Armour
c - a +0 shield (worn)
j - the +0 hat of Hangman (worn) {rN+ Dex+2}
(You acquired it on level 9 of the Dungeon)

It affects your dexterity (+2).
It protects you from negative energy.
q - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
D - the +6 scale mail of Trumpets (worn) {Str+1 Dex+3}
(You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)

It affects your strength (+1).
It affects your dexterity (+3).
L - a +2 cloak of darkness
Magical devices
G - a wand of hasting (2)
H - a wand of draining {zapped: 1}
J - a wand of fireball {zapped: 1}
R - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 1}
W - a wand of disintegration (9)

**Gigax** · 02/01/2015, 18h56

Je vois pas tes skills, mais voici mes quelques propositions pour ton perso.

Max Armor et Fighting. Si tu trouves une bonne plate armor, enfile là. Trouve rapidement un bon Demon Whip que tu iras bénir sur un autel de TSO pour avoir un sacred scourge sacrément solide en late (et que tu pourras enchanter avec tes scrolls).

Pour tes questions, je trouve que l'esquive est toujours utile, même si la maxer peut parfois utiliser de l'XP qui aurait été plus utile ailleurs.
Ensuite, avec les changements au niveau du stuff, tu n'as plus trop besoin de stash, les mobs ne ramassent plus rien et tu ne peux plus perdre ton stuff par du feu/du gel. Attention aux jelly qui peuvent tout bouffer si tu es dans le niveau.

Pour les axes, je trouve que c'est pas trop un soucis les hydres. Tu peux les niquer avec les wand, et puis arrivé à ce niveau, y'a toujours une axe voir une épée longue de feu qui peut suffire à les démonter.

Je mets mon dump d'un MiBe de TSO qui monte à 30 d'EV avec une Crystal Plate Armor. Ça peut vraiment être utile de dodge les attaques.

Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.0-8-gb109cf8 (tiles) character file.

9176700 Olga the Axe Maniac (level 27, 180/273 HPs)
             Began as a Minotaur Berserker on Dec 20, 2014.
             Was the Champion of the Shining One.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Dec 21, 2014!
             
             The game lasted 09:40:43 (200528 turns).

Olga the Axe Maniac (Minotaur Berserker)          Turns: 200528, Time: 09:40:43

HP 180/273       AC 58     Str 33      XL: 27
MP  48/48        EV 31     Int 12      God: the Shining One [******]
Gold 21308       SH  0     Dex 19      Spells:  9 memorised, 25 levels left

rFire  + + +     SeeInvis .     a - +9 executioner's axe (holy)
rCold  + + +     Clarity  .     v - +14 crystal plate armour
rNeg   + + +     rCorr    .     (no shield)
rPois  +         rRot     .     R - +2 hat of the Alchemist {rElec rF+ rC+ MR+}
rElec  +         Spirit   .     C - +1 cloak of Immorality {rPois rC+}
SustAb .         Warding  .     x - +2 pair of fencer's gloves {EV+3 Dex+6 Slay+2}
rMut   +         Stasis   .     u - +2 pair of boots of the Assassin {Stlth++}
Gourm  .                        Q - amulet "Recieshre" {rMut rC+}
MR     +++..                    e - ring of the Special Ghosts {rF+ Str+2 Slay+6}
                                F - ring of Modesty {+Blink rElec rF+ Str+2 Int+5}

@: flying, glowing, deflect missiles, extremely resistant to hostile
enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, agile 1, weak 1
a: Divine Shield, Cleansing Flame, Summon Divine Warrior, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Blink
0: Orb of Zot
}: 15/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian, icy, bone,
abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark, gossamer


You escaped.
You worshipped the Shining One.
The Shining One was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 18 branches of the dungeon, and saw 97 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 6 times, and saw 76 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 5 times.
You visited 1 bazaar.
You visited 5 Ziggurats (completing 1), and saw 66 of their levels.
You also visited: Trove and Wizlab.

You collected 26385 gold pieces.
You spent 5077 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +9 executioner's axe of holy wrath (weapon)
 b - a +9 triple crossbow of velocity
 D - a cursed +9 executioner's axe of freezing
Missiles
 m - 29 silver bolts (quivered)
 I - 9 bolts of penetration
 L - 1042 bolts
 O - a steel bolt
 X - 7 bolts of frost
Armour
 u - the +2 pair of boots of the Assassin (worn) {Stlth++}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 v - a +14 crystal plate armour (worn)
 x - the +2 pair of fencer's gloves (worn) {EV+3 Dex+6 Slay+2}
   (You found it in a treasure trove)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+6).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
 C - the +1 cloak of Immorality (worn) {rPois rC+}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
 R - the +2 hat of the Alchemist (worn) {rElec rF+ rC+ MR+}
   (You found it on level 18 of a ziggurat)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical devices
 j - a wand of heal wounds (3)
 w - a wand of digging (4)
 y - a wand of hasting (6)
 M - a wand of heal wounds (9)
 T - a wand of heal wounds (9)
 Z - a wand of teleportation (5)
Comestibles
 c - 52 bread rations
 s - 26 meat rations
 S - a beef jerky
Scrolls
 f - 75 scrolls of teleportation
 g - 16 scrolls of blinking
 k - 15 scrolls of silence
 p - 18 scrolls of magic mapping
 q - 44 scrolls of remove curse
 t - 22 scrolls of recharging
 z - a scroll of holy word
 A - 37 scrolls of fog
 N - 49 scrolls of identify
 P - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
Jewellery
 e - the ring of the Special Ghosts (right hand) {rF+ Str+2 Slay+6}
   (You acquired it in Pandemonium)   
   
   [ring of slaying]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+6).
   It protects you from fire.
 E - the cursed ring "Codghuon" {Wiz rPois SInv}
   (You found it on level 19 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   
   It improves your spell success rate.
   It protects you from poison.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 F - the ring of Modesty (left hand) {+Blink rElec rF+ Str+2 Int+5}
   (You found it on level 21 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It protects you from fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you blink.
 G - the cursed ring "Ymusm" {Slay+6 SInv}
   (You found it on level 18 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+6).
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 K - the cursed ring of Sif Muna's Favour {rF+ MR++ EV-3}
   (You found it on level 8 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (-3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 Q - the amulet "Recieshre" (around neck) {rMut rC+}
   (You found it on level 14 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of resist mutation]
   
   It protects you from mutation.
   It protects you from cold.
Potions
 d - 7 potions of resistance
 h - 6 potions of agility
 i - 18 potions of might
 l - 26 potions of brilliance
 n - 4 potions of porridge
 o - 4 potions of haste
 r - 5 potions of magic
 B - 8 potions of restore abilities
 H - 15 potions of curing
 J - 11 potions of cure mutation
 U - 6 potions of cancellation
 V - 7 potions of heal wounds
 W - 5 potions of berserk rage


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 O Level 27 Axes
 O Level 27 Crossbows
 - Level 8.5 Throwing
 O Level 27 Armour
 O Level 27 Dodging
 O Level 27 Shields
 O Level 27 Spellcasting
 + Level 25.9 Conjurations
 - Level 11.4 Hexes
 - Level 18.6 Charms
   Level 7.4 Necromancy
 - Level 20.9 Translocations
 + Level 26.3 Fire Magic
 - Level 14.4 Air Magic
 O Level 27 Invocations


You had 25 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ######....   1%          6    #####..
b - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      ######....   38%         9    #######
c - Lehudib's Crystal Sp  Conj/Erth      #####.....   100%        8    #######
d - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ######....   1%          6    #####..
e - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          1%          7    ######.
r - Phase Shift           Tloc           ######....   1%          5    ##.....
t - Flight                Chrm/Air       ######....   1%          3    None
w - Haste                 Chrm           ######..     1%          6    #####..
z - Silence               Hex/Air        #####.....   1%          5    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:11
    Elf (3/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:11          Swamp (5/5) Lair:3
 Spider (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (6/6) Lair:8       Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
   Hell (1/1)                 Dis (7/7) Hell            Geh (7/7) Hell
    Coc (7/7) Hell            Tar (7/7) Hell            Zot (5/5) Depths:5

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:4 *   D:6 %   D:9 =   D:11 ?   D:13 *   Orc:1 *[[   Orc:4 ?(:[(   Elf:2 =   Elf:3 [
Vaults:1 }   Vaults:2 }

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:5

Annotations:
Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
You are agile. (Dex +2)
You are weak. (Str -2)


Message History

The Shadow Fiend hits you but does no damage. x2
The Shadow Fiend completely misses you.
You slash the Shadow Fiend! The Shadow Fiend convulses! You headbutt the Shadow Fiend!!
The Shadow Fiend is almost dead.
Your crystal plate armour prevents you from hitting the Shadow Fiend.
You headbutt the Shadow Fiend.
The Shadow Fiend is almost dead.
You open the Shadow Fiend like a pillowcase!!!
You kill the Shadow Fiend!
The Shining One accepts your kill.
You feel a little better. You feel your power returning.
You slice the plant!!
The plant is moderately damaged.
You open the plant like a pillowcase!!! You headbutt the plant!
You destroy the plant!
You slice the plant!!
The plant is moderately damaged.
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
You can't go down here!
You have escaped!

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You could see an ice devil.

Vanquished Creatures
  Antaeus (Coc:7)
  Asmodeus (Geh:7)
  Cerebov (Pan)
  the royal jelly (Slime:6)
  Ereshkigal (Tar:7)
  Gloorx Vloq (Pan)
  Mnoleg (Pan)
  Lom Lobon (Pan)
  Dispater (Dis:7)
  the Serpent of Hell (Geh:7)
  5 orbs of fire
  The ghost of Jordan the Minotaur Barricade, a legendary MiFi of Okawaru (Zig:11)
  Khufu (Tomb:3)
  66 pandemonium lords
  37 greater mummies
  11 ancient liches
  Boris (Tomb:2)
  A seraph (Pan)
  Sojobo (Depths:5)
  the Lernaean hydra (Swamp:5)
  Norris (Spider:2)
  5 Killer Klowns
  Mara (Depths:3)
  15 golden dragons
  Geryon (Hell)
  Jory (Depths:4)
  Xtahua (Crypt:1)
  8 electric golems
  Frederick (Vaults:5)
  Nikola (Spider:1)
  76 Brimstone Fiends
  2 profane servitors
  25 bone dragons
  69 Hell Sentinels
  4 hellephants
  Asterion (Vaults:2)
  26 Orb Guardians
  52 Ice Fiends
  63 tentacled monstrosities
  29 liches
  7 deep elf blademasters
  Murray (Hell)
  100 Executioners
  3 quicksilver dragons
  6 deep elf master archers
  6 titans
  107 Shadow Fiends
  33 acid blobs
  10 sphinxes
  11 ancient champions
  24 storm dragons
  22 daevas
  Rupert (Lair:6)
  6 eldritch tentacles
  31 tentacled starspawn
  8 tengu reavers
  Kirke (D:14)
  2 sphinxes (shapeshifter)
  19 shadow dragons
  2 shadow dragons (shapeshifter)
  15 thorn hunters
  11 draconian monks
  37 corrupters
  16 greater nagas
  7 revenants
  152 balrugs
  18 azure jellies
  24 iron dragons
  Donald (Orc:4)
  Wiglaf (Swamp:2)
  6 draconian knights
  28 ghost moths
  A frost giant (shapeshifter) (Zig:6)
  26 fire giants
  84 cacodemons
  8 draconian scorchers
  33 orc warlords
  57 warmongers
  7 deep elf sorcerers
  Louise (Spider:1)
  17 vault wardens
  24 frost giants
  4 draconian zealots
  Gastronok (Lair:3)
  29 angels
  A spectral weapon (Vaults:2)
  21 emperor scorpions
  Jorgrun (Swamp:2)
  58 blood saints
  10 ghouls
  17 ophanim (Pan)
  10 draconian shifters
  15 draconian annihilators
  59 stone giants
  11 very ugly things
  169 reapers
  10 salamander firebrands
  16 deep elf demonologists
  2 curse skulls
  7 draconian callers
  27 war gargoyles
  12 green draconians
  6 vampire knights
  12 grey draconians
  13 apis (Pan)
  26 deep elf annihilators
  8 dire elephants
  Azrael (Spider:1)
  56 black suns
  4 spectral titans
  12 black draconians
  7 red draconians
  62 lorocyprocas
  14 yellow draconians
  20 ettins
  13 purple draconians
  5 mottled draconians
  6 pale draconians
  A white draconian (shapeshifter) (Zig:2)
  60 chaos champions
  2 unborn
  14 white draconians
  16 deep elf death magi
  Snorg (Lair:8)
  7 merfolk javelineers
  The ghost of Jonaj the Destroyer, a powerful HEWz of Vehumet (Lair:7)
  143 blizzard demons
  A fire dragon (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  83 green deaths
  A crystal guardian (Vaults:2)
  3 minotaurs
  2 spectral golden dragons
  33 mummy priests
  29 vault guards
  8 death oozes
  7 death cobs
  15 deep elf high priests
  Josephine (D:12)
  29 fire dragons
  A minotaur (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  11 eidola
  23 yaktaur captains
  9 jiangshi
  14 great orbs of eyes
  A spectral quicksilver dragon (Crypt:3)
  16 quicksilver dragon zombies
  27 rakshasas
  A kraken zombie (Hell)
  9 quicksilver dragon skeletons
  2 ravenous item mimics
  19 ironheart preservers
  39 ice dragons
  Fannar (Lair:8)
  11 spriggan air magi
  8 ghost crabs
  20 ogre magi
  A spectral shadow dragon (Crypt:3)
  5 naga warriors
  3 ice dragons (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  141 monstrous demonspawn
  Nessos (D:15)
  5 shambling mangroves
  A ghost crab (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  60 hydras
  A siren (Pan)
  2 anacondas
  9 merfolk aquamancers
  An alligator snapping turtle (Zig:22)
  3 spectral frost giants
  4 dancing weapons
  3 death knights
  8 death yaks
  12 centaur warriors
  22 alligators
  2 spectral stone giants (Tomb:1)
  A spectral human (Vaults:5)
  10 vampire magi
  A tengu warrior (D:13)
  7 titan zombies
  25 thrashing horrors
  53 hell hogs
  6 deep troll shamans
  Urug (D:12)
  4 naga sharpshooters
  A fire crab (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1)
  52 hell knights
  7 spriggan berserkers
  12 deep troll earth magi
  9 storm dragon zombies
  25 iron trolls
  206 sun demons
  13 iron golems
  3 shock serpents
  34 orc high priests
  The ghost of Furlag the Cleaver, an experienced MiBe of Trog (D:8)
  22 wretched stars
  A catoblepas (Depths:3)
  13 titan skeletons
  117 soul eaters
  2 fire crabs
  12 giant orange brains
  3 unseen horrors (shapeshifter)
  3 salamander mystics
  43 shadow wraiths
  7 storm dragon skeletons
  31 deep elf knights
  48 swamp dragons
  8 spatial maelstroms
  116 ice devils
  273 skeletal warriors
  3 ghost moth zombies
  15 anaconda zombies
  17 cherubim (Pan)
  122 infernal demonspawn
  A sea snake (Zig:6)
  Erolcha (Orc:4)
  138 gelid demonspawn (Pan)
  10 death drakes
  44 deep trolls
  14 ironbrand convokers
  9 spriggan druids
  7 golden dragon zombies
  30 flayed ghosts
  6 deep elf summoners
  9 wizards
  A spectral anaconda (Tomb:1)
  23 hill giants
  2 quicksilver dragon simulacra
  2 naga ritualists (Zig:11)
  A giant orange brain (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  3 golden dragon skeletons
  130 torturous demonspawn (Pan)
  49 orb spiders
  83 shadow demons
  24 necromancers
  4 spectral hydras
  18 unseen horrors
  7 ice statues
  4 lindwurms (shapeshifter)
  A kraken simulacrum (Coc:4)
  13 shadow dragon zombies
  113 putrid demonspawn (Pan)
  3 sphinx zombies
  A spectral wolf spider (Tomb:2)
  114 hellions
  6 anaconda skeletons
  8 griffons
  16 deep elf conjurers
  16 oklob plants
  17 iron dragon zombies
  A spectral fire dragon (Crypt:3)
  67 ugly things
  16 orc knights
  2 spectral ettins
  9 wolf spider zombies
  314 large abominations
  16 salamanders
  12 shadow dragon skeletons
  A salamander (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2)
  4 mana vipers
  A spectral ice dragon (Crypt:3)
  11 frost giant zombies
  2 guardian serpents (shapeshifter)
  32 moths of wrath
  43 wolf spiders
  50 phantasmal warriors
  14 fire giant zombies
  A sphinx skeleton (Vaults:3)
  3 manticores
  11 black mambas
  24 orc sorcerers
  9 shining eyes
  23 stone giant zombies
  A water nymph (Zig:6)
  204 sixfirhies
  A cyclops (shapeshifter) (Abyss:5)
  12 fire giant skeletons
  10 iron dragon skeletons
  45 red wasps
  13 elephants
  8 naga magi
  15 stone giant skeletons
  5 shock serpent zombies
  12 worldbinders
  2 mermaids (Zig:6)
  14 human skeletons
  Maurice (D:8)
  10 cyclopes
  Joseph (D:8)
  11 dire elephant zombies
  A spectral sea snake (Tomb:1)
  14 apocalypse crabs
  11 guardian serpents
  A red wasp (shapeshifter) (Zig:18)
  An elephant (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  19 frost giant skeletons
  A titan simulacrum (Crypt:1)
  A gargoyle (D:15)
  7 torpor snails
  An eye of devastation (shapeshifter) (Depths:2)
  267 orange demons
  A storm dragon simulacrum (Crypt:1)
  7 molten gargoyles (Geh:7)
  2 orange crystal statues
  An alligator snapping turtle zombie (Crypt:1)
  10 eyes of devastation
  3 shock serpent skeletons
  101 iron devils
  An item mimic (Lair:5)
  10 dire elephant skeletons
  37 spiny frogs
  18 vault sentinels
  59 demonic crawlers
  A yaktaur zombie (Depths:1)
  49 yaktaurs
  2 feature mimics
  A purple draconian zombie (Dis:5)
  3 spriggan zombies
  A spectral catoblepas (Crypt:3)
  5 silent spectres
  6 emperor scorpion zombies
  9 fire drakes
  328 smoke demons
  A redback zombie (Crypt:3)
  2 kobold demonologists (Vaults:2)
  A ghost moth simulacrum (Crypt:1)
  An iron troll zombie (Zig:26)
  94 tormentors
  40 small abominations
  23 hydra zombies
  341 hellwings
  2 golden dragon simulacra
  A red draconian skeleton (Crypt:2)
  138 guardian mummies
  12 komodo dragons
  3 spectral harpies
  A ghoul skeleton (Crypt:3)
  5 spriggan skeletons
  24 trolls
  A green draconian skeleton (Crypt:1)
  50 freezing wraiths
  17 deep elf priests
  296 red devils
  32 efreet
  6 harpy zombies
  32 two-headed ogres
  33 jumping spiders
  4 moth of wrath zombies
  4 tengu simulacra
  A troll (shapeshifter) (Depths:1)
  A minotaur zombie (Zig:3)
  Sonja (D:12)
  An anaconda simulacrum (Depths:2)
  2 catoblepas zombies
  A queen bee (Lair:6)
  4 harpy skeletons
  11 polar bears
  A spectral tarantella (Tar:6)
  23 giant leeches
  2 wind drakes
  32 blink frogs
  A spectral jumping spider (Tar:6)
  A raven (shapeshifter) (Abyss:5)
  20 ancient zymes
  5 fire vortices
  25 raiju
  99 blue devils
  50 bog bodies
  A baby alligator (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  20 ravens
  A snapping turtle (Zig:22)
  15 hydra skeletons
  2 wind drakes (shapeshifter)
  14 baby alligators
  5 ice dragon zombies
  A satyr zombie (Crypt:1)
  89 shadows
  2 wandering mushrooms (Lair:2)
  A catoblepas skeleton (Geh:7)
  15 ettin zombies
  176 slime creatures
  8 fire dragon zombies
  10 boulder beetles
  11 air elementals
  35 vampires
  230 flying skulls
  41 tarantellas
  4 basilisks
  8 alligator zombies
  39 trapdoor spiders
  220 ynoxinuls
  8 black mamba zombies
  47 redbacks
  159 starcursed masses
  2 griffon skeletons
  10 spriggans
  A stone giant simulacrum (Vaults:3)
  7 ettin skeletons
  5 wyverns
  4 alligator skeletons
  2 basilisks (shapeshifter)
  38 deep elf magi
  9 ice dragon skeletons
  4 fire dragon skeletons
  171 neqoxecs
  A satyr skeleton (Crypt:2)
  2 trapdoor spiders (shapeshifter)
  A hill giant zombie (WizLab)
  2 tarantellas (shapeshifter)
  A dire elephant simulacrum (Crypt:3)
  48 fire elementals
  A fire bat (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  2 deep troll skeletons
  5 hogs (D:14)
  10 water elementals
  Eustachio (D:9)
  74 wraiths
  A yak (shapeshifter) (Zig:18)
  11 fire bats
  35 deep elf fighters
  A spectral dryad (Tomb:1)
  50 yaks
  15 hungry ghosts
  2 harpy simulacra
  5 steam dragons
  49 hell beasts
  13 wargs
  33 golden eyes
  3 black mamba skeletons
  33 vampire mosquitoes
  41 chaos spawn
  12 hippogriffs
  10 human zombies
  A monstrous demonspawn zombie (Pan)
  37 swamp worms
  9 wolves
  Edmund (D:4)
  A hydra simulacrum (D:14)
  6 nagas
  21 spatial vortices
  7 mottled dragons
  An orb spider zombie (Crypt:3)
  15 porcupines
  5 tengu skeletons
  3 merfolk zombies
  2 sky beasts
  A spectral raiju (Tar:6)
  15 spiny frog zombies
  29 swamp drakes
  A gelid demonspawn skeleton (Geh:1)
  A water nymph skeleton (Crypt:2)
  A black bear (shapeshifter) (Zig:6)
  A soldier ant (D:15)
  32 spiders
  A swamp drake (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5)
  A catoblepas simulacrum (Crypt:1)
  An ettin simulacrum (Vaults:5)
  55 water moccasins
  184 hell hounds
  38 ice beasts
  An elf simulacrum (Vaults:5)
  6 spiny frog skeletons
  A baby alligator skeleton (Crypt:3)
  5 swamp dragon zombies
  9 black bears
  A black mamba simulacrum (Crypt:2)
  15 centaurs
  60 necrophages
  21 yellow wasps
  67 ogres
  3 orc skeletons
  17 phantoms
  12 snapping turtle zombies
  22 crocodiles
  A spriggan simulacrum (Zig:5)
  9 boggarts (Depths:1)
  2 manticore zombies
  A ghost crab zombie (Crypt:3)
  An ice beast (shapeshifter) (Abyss:5)
  A manticore skeleton (D:14)
  An alligator simulacrum (Hell)
  A blink frog skeleton (Crypt:2)
  A lost soul (Tar:1)
  2 swamp dragon skeletons
  5 snapping turtle skeletons
  118 orc warriors
  Sigmund (D:3)
  Duvessa (D:8)
  9 brain worms
  A fire drake zombie (Crypt:1)
  A big kobold (shapeshifter) (Depths:3)
  A gnoll sergeant (Zig:23)
  3 big kobolds
  An ogre simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  24 giant frogs
  A glowing shapeshifter simulacrum (Zig:11)
  A cyclops zombie (D:12)
  A spider zombie (Crypt:1)
  A salamander skeleton (Crypt:2)
  An earth elemental (Abyss:5)
  A spiny frog simulacrum (Coc:5)
  23 insubstantial wisps
  2 human simulacra
  A cyclops skeleton (D:13)
  13 scorpions
  28 eyes of draining
  A spectral tengu (Crypt:3)
  10 troll zombies
  5 warg zombies
  2 troll skeletons
  25 killer bees
  150 wights
  2 spectral yellow wasps
  Dowan (D:8)
  11 quasits
  39 crimson imps
  The ghost of Priam the Ruffian, an average NaTm (D:3)
  2 electric eels
  55 jellies
  A wolf skeleton (Crypt:2)
  A centaur skeleton (D:4)
  5 centaur zombies
  A lava snake (Zot:5)
  2 giant frog skeletons
  6 goliath beetles
  12 hounds
  5 elf zombies
  14 iguanas
  80 iron imps
  51 orc priests
  48 orc wizards
  9 elf skeletons
  6 orange rats
  A lightning spire (Zig:8)
  2 porcupine skeletons
  A boulder beetle simulacrum (Vaults:1)
  19 worker ants
  34 sheep
  3 tengu zombies
  Ijyb (D:5)
  A mottled dragon skeleton (Crypt:1)
  9 ogre zombies
  97 mummies
  2 naga skeletons
  An ogre skeleton (Tar:5)
  Terence (D:2)
  55 green rats
  25 adders
  15 gnolls
  A steam dragon zombie (Crypt:3)
  An inept item mimic (D:4)
  27 shadow imps
  4 giant mites
  36 white imps
  10 worms
  264 ufetubi
  An iguana skeleton (D:5)
  An adder skeleton (D:4)
  A giant eyeball (Pan)
  A lava snake skeleton (Crypt:3)
  7 giant geckos
  340 orcs
  A ball python (D:2)
  2 bat skeletons
  4 giant cockroaches
  38 goblins
  25 hobgoblins
  10 jackals
  28 kobolds
  7 oozes
  10 quokkas
  22 bats
  A giant cockroach zombie (D:5)
  10 giant newts
  A giant spore (D:10)
  A goblin skeleton (D:5)
  4 goblin zombies
  A hobgoblin skeleton (D:8)
  A hobgoblin zombie (Zig:23)
  A jackal skeleton (Crypt:1)
  A jackal zombie (Crypt:2)
  2 kobold skeletons
  2 kobold zombies
  A lurking horror (Abyss:2)
  131 orc zombies
  22 rats
  A spectral kobold (Tomb:1)
  A spectral orc (Vaults:5)
  5 ballistomycetes
  15 briar patches
  8 bushes (Zot:1)
  5 butterflies (Pan)
  4 crawling corpses
  31 fungi
  44 grand avatars
  24 plants
  30 starspawn tentacles
  3 tentacles
13748 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Saint Roka (Vaults:4)
  Margery (Vaults:2)
  A draconian monk (Zig:15)
  A purple draconian (Zig:15)
  A black draconian (Zig:15)
  2 red draconians (Zig:15)
  A green death (Zig:19)
  A skeletal warrior (Tar:7)
  2 hell knights (Vaults:2)
  A flayed ghost (Tar:7)
  An orc sorcerer (Zig:26)
  A cyclops (Zig:23)
  An eye of devastation (Zig:24)
  A smoke demon (Elf:3)
  An orange demon (Elf:3)
  A blue devil (Elf:3)
  A bog body (Swamp:5)
  A hungry ghost (Tar:7)
  A swamp drake (Swamp:5)
  2 starcursed masses (Zig:24)
  An orc warrior (Vaults:4)
  An ogre (Zig:26)
  8 orcs
  A goblin zombie (Zig:26)
  2 orc zombies (Zig:26)
  A starspawn tentacle (Zig:24)
37 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A pandemonium lord (Pan)
  An eldritch tentacle (Tar:6)
  A daeva (Zig:19)
  2 draconian monks (Zig:14)
  A greater naga (Zig:11)
  A ghost moth (Zig:13)
  2 angels
  2 lorocyprocas (Pan)
  A green death (Pan)
  An orc high priest (Orc:4)
  A storm dragon zombie (Geh:2)
  A soul eater (Tar:7)
  2 shadow demons
  An orc knight (Orc:4)
  3 hill giants
  A shadow dragon skeleton (Geh:2)
  2 sixfirhies
  A guardian serpent (Zig:22)
  A tormentor (Zig:19)
  2 orange demons (Pan)
  2 smoke demons (Pan)
  A demonic crawler (Zig:13)
  A guardian mummy (Tomb:3)
  A blue devil (Elf:3)
  A red devil (Pan)
  A troll (Elf:3)
  A harpy zombie (Coc:7)
  A two-headed ogre (Depths:3)
  A blink frog (Zig:27)
  82 fire vortices
  A giant leech (Swamp:5)
  2 flying skulls
  A deep elf mage (Abyss:5)
  A vampire (Tar:7)
  A basilisk (Lair:8)
  A hell beast (Zig:19)
  A neqoxec (Pan)
  A wyvern (Zig:17)
  A wraith (Geh:1)
  2 chaos spawn
  3 steam dragons
  2 deep elf fighters
  A warg (Zig:26)
  A spatial vortex (Abyss:5)
  A small abomination (Abyss:5)
  2 mottled dragons (Zig:17)
  A swamp drake (Zig:17)
  A spider (Zig:22)
  A yellow wasp (Zig:12)
  4 orc warriors
  An ogre (Vaults:5)
  14 lost souls
  A necrophage (Geh:3)
  A boring beetle (Zig:8)
  A killer bee (Pan)
  3 wights (Geh:2)
  An orc wizard (Zig:26)
  3 ufetubi (Pan)
  A giant eyeball (Pan)
  2 orcs
  3 giant spores
  3 lurking horrors
  8 briar patches
  131 eldritch tentacle segments
  5 fungi
  2 plants (Abyss:5)
  34 starspawn tentacles
  199 starspawn tentacle segments
  5 tentacles
  11 tentacle segments (Hell)
578 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 14363 creatures vanquished

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Hand axe          |    80 |   136 |   493 |   118 |       |       |       |       |       ||   827
       Battleaxe         |       |       |       |   266 |   782 |  1140 |       |       |       ||  2188
       Executioner's axe |       |       |       |   161 |    28 |   544 |  1226 |   894 | 10191 || 13044
       Unarmed           |       |       |       |       |     4 |       |       |       |     8 ||    12
       Triple crossbow   |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
 Fire: Triple crossbow   |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |   310 |  7246 ||  7556
Throw: Javelin           |    24 |    15 |    99 |    84 |    66 |   118 |     6 |       |       ||   412
 Cast: Silence           |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    24 ||    24
       Fire Storm        |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    23 ||    23
       Flight            |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    19 ||    19
       Phase Shift       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    19 ||    19
       Bolt of Fire      |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     8 ||     8
       Controlled Blink  |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     8 ||     8
       Deflect Missiles  |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     5 ||     5
       Haste             |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
       Regeneration      |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Invok: Trog's Hand       |       |     5 |     4 |     3 |     3 |    12 |     5 |     3 |       ||    35
       Berserk           |       |     4 |     2 |       |     3 |     2 |     2 |       |       ||    13
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     4 |     1 |       ||     6
       Divine Shield     |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    28 ||    28
       Summon Divine War |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     6 ||     6
       Cleansing Flame   |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |    18 |    25 |    10 |    13 |    10 |     2 |   130 ||   208
  Use: Scroll            |     7 |     6 |     7 |    13 |    19 |    16 |    22 |    12 |   166 ||   268
       Potion            |       |     2 |     2 |       |     5 |     3 |    12 |     4 |   132 ||   160
 Stab: Invisible         |       |     2 |       |       |       |     7 |       |       |     1 ||    10
       Distracted        |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     4 ||     6
       Confused          |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
       Petrifying        |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |     8 |    11 |    11 |     8 |    16 |    15 |    15 |   107 ||   192
       Meat ration       |       |     1 |     1 |       |       |     1 |     2 |     1 |    35 ||    41
       Fruit             |       |       |     3 |    21 |    30 |    17 |     5 |     7 |    47 ||   130
       Beef jerky        |       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     3 |     3 |     2 |    25 ||    35
       Pizza             |       |       |       |       |     1 |     4 |       |     3 |    10 ||    18
       Royal jelly       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |    29 ||    31
       Bread ration      |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |    12 ||    13

**Dodo** · 02/01/2015, 20h18

Nan mais l'a on a l'impression q'un mec de 30 ans qui débarque en maternelle pour faire un concours de kiki :D
Le perso de Gigax c'est le fruit de longues heures de grind (quasimment 9 skills a 27), pour un premier run, et en tout cas au début, fait simple

(bon et avec 3 en int tu peux quasiment oublier la magie).

**Gigax** · 02/01/2015, 22h04

Bah les conseils que je propose sont adaptés à son personnage. Je montre pas le dump pour les skills ou pour le stuff, mais simplement qu'avec 27 en dodging, même avec une des armures les plus lourdes du jeu, on peut quand même atteindre un score respectable en EV.

Après, les firestorm et controlled blink, c'est pas avec ça que tu gagnes une game. Quand le perso en est là, c'est déjà fini.

**Patate** · 06/01/2015, 09h18

Je suis sur un petit run toujours en MiBe et je sais pas trop où aller... J'ai fini le donjon principale, lair et orcs, le problème, c'est qu'en résistance j'ai pas grand chose. Pas de rPois et c'est galère, j'ai voulu commencer snake ou slime, mais c'est chaud !

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-266-g8f376c1 (tiles) character file.

Mey the Warrior (Minotaur Berserker) Turns: 33177, Time: 02:32:04

HP 178/178 AC 35 Str 28 XL: 16 Next: 4%
MP 6/6 EV 8 Int 7 God: Trog [******]
Gold 1021 SH 17 Dex 8 Spells: 0 memorised, 15 levels left

rFire + . . SeeInvis . Y - +5 war axe of Cluigus {freeze, +Fly rF+ rC++ Dex-3 Int+3}
rCold + + . Clarity + X - +10 plate armour of Pejavvah {MR+}
rNeg . . . rCorr . Q - +2 shield
rPois . rRot . (helmet restricted)
rElec . Spirit . m - +2 cloak
SustAb + Warding . i - +0 pair of gloves (curse)
rMut . Stasis . K - +0 pair of boots
Gourm . d - amulet of clarity
MR ++... T - ring of sustain abilities
u - ring of regeneration

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, deterioration 1, robust 1, wild magic 1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Flight

You are on level 15 of the Dungeon.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are very hungry.

You have visited 6 branches of the dungeon, and seen 30 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer and Ossuary.

You have collected 3369 gold pieces.
You have spent 2348 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
a - a +2 battleaxe of freezing
b - a +1 hand crossbow of freezing
f - the +10 war axe "Troing" {speed, Dex+1 SInv}
(Trog gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon)

Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster.

It affects your dexterity (+1).
It enhances your eyesight.
Y - the +5 war axe of Cluigus (weapon) {freeze, +Fly rF+ rC++ Dex-3 Int+3}
(Trog gifted it to you on level 3 of the Orcish Mines)

It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible
opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.

It affects your intelligence (+3).
It affects your dexterity (-3).
It protects you from fire.
It greatly protects you from cold.
It lets you fly.
Missiles
h - 30 bolts
l - 2 silver bolts
Armour
i - a cursed +0 pair of gloves (worn)
m - a +2 cloak (worn)
K - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
Q - a +2 shield (worn)
X - the +10 plate armour of Pejavvah (worn) {MR+}
(You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)

It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical devices
s - a wand of paralysis
x - a shiny ivory wand
Comestibles
c - 19 bread rations
g - 9 fruits
t - 13 meat rations
Z - 2 beef jerkies
Scrolls
e - 13 scrolls of remove curse
j - 13 scrolls of identify
n - 3 scrolls of blinking
o - 4 scrolls of recharging
r - 4 scrolls of teleportation
y - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
A - 3 scrolls of fear
D - 3 scrolls of fog
R - a scroll of silence
Jewellery
d - an amulet of clarity (around neck)
u - a ring of regeneration (left hand)
z - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
C - a +3 ring of protection
F - the brooch of Shielding {Ward rN+ AC+4 EV+4}
(You bought it in a shop on level 10 of the Dungeon)

[amulet of warding]

It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
It affects your AC (+4).
It affects your evasion (+4).
It protects you from negative energy.
S - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
T - a ring of sustain abilities (right hand)
Potions
k - 3 potions of might
p - 5 potions of agility
q - 5 potions of flight
v - 3 potions of brilliance
E - a potion of restore abilities
H - a potion of porridge
I - a potion of cancellation
J - 7 potions of curing
M - 4 potions of heal wounds
O - a potion of haste
Miscellaneous
w - a lamp of fire
B - a phial of floods

Skills:
- Level 20,1 Fighting
+ Level 15,0 Axes
- Level 17,1 Armour
- Level 2,1 Dodging
- Level 16,9 Shields

You have 15 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Orc (4/4) D:10
Elf (0/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:11 Swamp (0/5) Lair:6
Snake (1/5) Lair:4 Slime (1/6) Lair:7 Vaults (0/5) D:13
Depths (0/5) D:15

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:4 : D:10 = D:15 [:?% Orc:2 [ Orc:4 *=[(

Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
Your body is slowly deteriorating.
You are robust (+10% HP).
Your spells are a little harder to cast, but a little more powerful.

Je dois persister dans snake ? Z'en pensez quoi ?

**Gobbopathe** · 06/01/2015, 18h23

Slime il faut se mettre dans la tête que c'est plus du late game (bon du early late game certes, mais tout de même) : bref tu oublies, surtout qu'il y a pas de loot avant de flambiser la royal jelly.

Snake sans rPois, ça sent clairement mauvais : tu arriveras sans doute à vider les premiers niveaux (parfois peut-être avec quelque sueurs froides), mais le risque me semble élevé pour un gain pas si énorme. En plus les dévs arrêtent pas d'introduire des nagas et serpents supplémentaires, j'ai l'impression que ça devient de plus en plus tendu. Et le dernier niveau sera juste injouable.

Non à mon avis la cible est toute trouvée : tu dois vider Swamp, qui pose moins de problème sans resist. Fais simplement gaffe aux hydres (n'hésite pas à utiliser Brother in Arms surtout au dernier où tu en auras un paquet)

**Patate** · 06/01/2015, 18h25

J'ai fini snake en trouvant un anneau rpois dans snake justement, et je viens de me faire démonter par royal jelly à l'instant

J'ai pas su gérer ce combat entouré d'autre montres comme d'hab... Merci pour le conseil en tout cas, putain je suis déçu !!!

**Gobbopathe** · 06/01/2015, 18h43

Oui la royal jelly est pas loin d'être le pire mob du jeu (dans le top 10 en tout cas)

**Gobbopathe** · 07/01/2015, 12h21

Je viens de découvrir ce lien (en anglais), qui doit être pris comme une liste de conseils très utiles et à propos, dont certains détails que je découvre, par exemple

Energy randomization. In Crawl, for monster movement only, there is a random chance that the monster movement will happen 10% faster or slower. These 10% fasters and slowers add up, and eventually the monster will fall behind a tile or advance an extra tile. (If you see one happen, the other is likely to happen again soon, due to the energy randomization going in the opposite direction.) This also applies for opening/closing doors, but it doesn't apply for the monster attacking or casting. If a monster suddenly gains or loses ground on you, this is probably why.

Déjà que j'ai appris il y a quelques mois que le temps requis pour monter/descendre un escalier était de 1.5 (qui a expliqué la mort de mon vampire durant un tournoi dans le dernier étage des Vaults face à une tentacled monstruosity, cette partie je l'ai encore au travers de la gorge), on ne cesse d'apprendre des choses dans DCSS.

Donc, n'hésitez pas à y faire un tour, ça ne peut être que bénéfique à mon avis.

**Alge'n** · 07/01/2015, 14h57

Ah tu savais pas? Je suppose que c'est pas forcément évident quand on le sait pas déjà, mais c'était un plutôt gros changement au moment où ça a été implémenté. Avant tu pouvais pas esperer échapper un ennemi aussi rapide que toi qui est déjà au cac, la seule option (hors consommables) c'était du pillar dancing jusqu'à avoir suffisamment de vie pour esperer le combattre. Mais maintenant il y a généralement moyen d'arriver à avoir créer un espace suffisant pour prendre un escalier, quitte à se prendre un coup ou deux.

Edit : mmhhh j'arrive pas à retrouve la version où ça a changé. Ça a peut être toujours été le cas du coup (enfin depuis la 0.5 où j'ai commencé), j'avais le sentiment d'un gros changement à ce niveau là mais c'est peut être quand je suis passé de Nethack à DCSS.

**Gobbopathe** · 07/01/2015, 17h03

Après coup je ressens un effet hindsight (je l'avais toujours su intuitivement), puisqu'on a tous reculé pour essayer d'échapper à un monstre en se rendant compte parfois qu'il avançait de 2 cases ou parfois qu'on reculait sans qu'il nous suive pour un seul tour. Mais d'avoir une info claire comme celle-là change pas mal de choses (enfin en vérité pas grand'chose, mais ça explique des situations)

**Gobbopathe** · 26/01/2015, 12h35

Un type sur reddit qui dans son run vient de vider 15 Ziggurats. Il explique qu'en gros il a vidé une trentaine de potions de beneficial mutations.

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So I cleared 15 ziggs. Here's the morgue: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/melllvar/morgue-melllvar-20150126-061753.txt
To make things more exciting, I quaffed around 30 pots of beneficial mutation before I started the last one. I lost two armor slots and picked up wild magic 3, so I was forced to use two forms of wizardry to keep everything cast-able. I quaffed a few more inside the zig and my final one was mutation resistance 2 (fitting). The final list is down below.
The final zig wasn't too hard. I got sap'ed a couple of times, but I figured out a trick: from the the little nook at the end of the level I could evoke a fan of gales (which clears the area), read a scroll of fog, cancel my necromutation, quaff a pot of cancellation, and recast necro before being slaughtered. This also works on jelly levels (level 27 was jellies) to channel mana (stupid eyes of draining). I think level 24 was mummies but it was easy. There was only one FIRE level in the whole run but it was a big level and I was scared (I only had rF++ at the time and I had to swap out my cloak to bump it up).
I didn't memorize (or need) Death's Door or Borgnjor. Several people thought that was weird but it worked out fine.
I used my new favorite amulet - STASIS - for the entire run (that's right, no haste, no blinking, and no teleporting!). It was GREAT. Chaos attacks only did good things like give me might and agility. Of course, when I was using Stasis I couldn't use Clarity, so the CBoE was tricky -- I had to use the autumn katana while channeling (you can't let yourself get confused in lich form). Then I got the Clarity mutation and it was fine.
8163154 melllvar the Archmage (level 27, 238/238 HPs)
             Began as a Deep Elf Fire Elementalist on Jan 18, 2015.
             Was the Champion of Makhleb.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Jan 26, 2015!

             The game lasted 1day 23:23:51 (234407 turns).

melllvar the Archmage (DEFE)                   Turns: 234407, Time: 1, 23:23:51

Health: 238/238    AC: 53    Str: 19    XL:     27
Magic:  50/50      EV: 35    Int: 51    God:    Makhleb [******]
Gold:   39695      SH:  0    Dex: 23    Spells: 12 memorised, 0 levels left

rFire  + + +     SeeInvis +     b - +9 Staff of Wucad Mu {channel}
rCold  + + +     Clarity  +     y - +10 pearl dragon armour
rNeg   + + +     SustAb   +     (no shield)
rPois  ∞         Gourm    .     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  +         Spirit   .     V - +0 cloak of Leapfrog {rN+ Str+5}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     G - +4 pair of gloves of Death Resistance {Int+3 Dex+4}
rMut   .         Stasis   +     (boots unavailable)
MR     +++++                    v - amulet "Shar" {Stasis rPois+ Int+4}
Stlth  ++++......               S - ring "Vyrrili" {Wiz rElec Str+4 Int+3}
                                E - ring of Ulups {SustAb rF+ rC+ Int+4 SInv}

@: lich-form, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: beak, claws 2, hooves 3, horns 3, repulsion field 1, icy blue scales 1,
iridescent scales 1, camouflage 2, see invisible, agile 2, blink 2, breathe
flames 3, clarity, clever 2, cold resistance 3, fire resistance 3, magic
resistance 3, mutation resistance 2, sense surroundings 2, poison resistance,
regeneration 3, robust 2, shaggy fur 2, spit poison 3, strong 2, wild magic 3
a: Spit Poison, End Transformation, Blink, Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of
Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion,
Breathe Fire
0: Orb of Zot
}: 15/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian, icy, bone,
abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark, gossamer


You escaped.
You worshipped Makhleb.
Makhleb was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You were a lich.

You visited 18 branches of the dungeon, and saw 97 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 17 times, and saw 212 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 10 times.
You completed 15 ziggurats, and saw 405 of their levels.
You also visited: Labyrinth and Sewer.

You collected 45695 gold pieces.
You spent 6000 gold pieces at shops.


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have a beak for a mouth.
You have very sharp fingernails.
You have hooves in place of feet.
You have a pair of large horns on your head.
You are surrounded by a mild repulsion field (EV +2).
You are partially covered in icy blue scales (AC +1).
You are partially covered in iridescent scales (AC +4).
Your skin blends seamlessly with your surroundings (Stealth).
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are very agile. (Dex +4)
You are good at translocating small distances at will.
You can breathe blasts of fire.
You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.
Your mind is very acute. (Int +4)
Your flesh is almost immune to the effects of cold.
Your flesh is almost immune to the effects of heat.
You are extremely resistant to the effects of hostile enchantments.
You are somewhat resistant to both further mutation and mutation removal.
You passively map the area around you.
Your system is resistant to poisons.
You regenerate.
You are very robust (+20% HP).
You are covered in thick fur (AC +2).
You can spit strong poison.
Your muscles are very strong. (Str +4)
Your spells are much harder to cast, but much more powerful.


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 O Level 27 Short Blades
 O Level 27 Long Blades
 O Level 27 Axes
 O Level 27 Maces & Flails
 O Level 27 Polearms
 O Level 27 Staves
 O Level 27 Throwing
 O Level 27 Armour
 O Level 27 Dodging
 O Level 27 Stealth
 O Level 27 Shields
 O Level 27 Unarmed Combat
 O Level 27 Spellcasting
 O Level 27 Conjurations
 O Level 27 Hexes
 O Level 27 Charms
   Level 6.2 Summonings
 O Level 27 Necromancy
 O Level 27 Translocations
 O Level 27 Transmutations
 O Level 27 Fire Magic
 O Level 27 Ice Magic
 O Level 27 Air Magic
 O Level 27 Earth Magic
   Level 5.2 Poison Magic
 O Level 27 Invocations
 O Level 27 Evocations


You couldn't memorise any spells.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
d - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ##########   1%          6    N/A
e - Apportation           Tloc           ##########   1%          1    N/A
g - Glaciate              Conj/Ice       ##########   6%          9    N/A
k - Darkness              Hex            ##########   1%          7    N/A
l - Chain Lightning       Conj/Air       ##########   3%          8    N/A
m - Sublimation of Blood  Necr           ##########   1%          2    N/A
n - Necromutation         Trmt/Necr      ##########   3%          8    N/A
s - Shatter               Erth           ##########   6%          9    N/A
t - Tornado               Air            ##########   6%          9    N/A
v - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      ##########   6%          9    N/A
y - Cigotuvi's Embrace    Necr           ##########   1%          5    N/A
B - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          1%          7    N/A


Inventory:

Hand weapons
 b - the +9 Staff of Wucad Mu (weapon) {channel}
   (You found it on level 14 of a ziggurat)
 q - a +9 executioner's axe of chopping
 s - a +9 lajatang of speed
 I - the +8 autumn katana {slice, Clar}
   (You found it on level 10 of a ziggurat)   

   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.

   It protects you against confusion.
Missiles
 D - 181 javelins of penetration (quivered)
Armour
 c - the -2 hat of the Alchemist {rElec rPois+ rF+ rC+ rN+ MR+ rMut rCorr}
   (You found it on level 13 of a ziggurat)   

   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
   It protects you from mutation.
 y - a +10 pearl dragon armour (worn)
 G - the +4 pair of gloves of Death Resistance (worn) {Int+3 Dex+4}
   (You found it on level 5 of a ziggurat)   

   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
 V - the +0 cloak of Leapfrog (worn) {rN+ Str+5}
   (You acquired it on level 26 of a ziggurat)   

   It affects your strength (+5).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 X - the cursed +2 hat of the High Council {Archmagi, Wiz- Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 24 of a ziggurat)   

   It makes you less stealthy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
Magical staves
 a - an uncursed staff of wizardry {!a}
Rods
 n - a +9 rod of shadows (16/16) {!a}
   (You found it on level 13 of a ziggurat)
 R - a +9 rod of shadows (17/17) {!a}
   (You found it on level 24 of a ziggurat)
Jewellery
 v - the amulet "Shar" (around neck) {Stasis rPois+ Int+4}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   

   [amulet of stasis]

   It prevents you from being teleported, slowed, hasted or paralysed.
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from poison.
 E - the ring of Ulups (left hand) {SustAb rF+ rC+ Int+4 SInv}
   (You found it on level 15 of a ziggurat)   

   [ring of sustain abilities]

   It sustains your strength, intelligence and dexterity.
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 S - the ring "Vyrrili" (right hand) {Wiz rElec Str+4 Int+3}
   (You found it on level 17 of a ziggurat)   

   [ring of wizardry]

   It improves your spell success rate.
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It insulates you from electricity.
Magical devices
 h - a wand of disintegration (10)
 u - a wand of digging (3)
 w - a wand of fire (8)
 J - a wand of teleportation (9)
 L - a wand of heal wounds (8)
 O - a wand of heal wounds (8)
 Y - a wand of invisibility (9)
Scrolls
 i - 64 scrolls of identify
 k - 178 scrolls of enchant weapon
 m - 276 scrolls of remove curse
 r - 142 scrolls of recharging
 t - 381 scrolls of teleportation
 x - 22 scrolls of magic mapping
 F - 88 scrolls of blinking
 H - 254 scrolls of fog
Potions
 j - 87 potions of curing
 l - 11 potions of heal wounds
 A - 158 potions of cure mutation
 B - 18 potions of restore abilities
 Q - 2 potions of cancellation
Miscellaneous
 d - a disc of storms
 e - a crystal ball of energy
 f - a lamp of fire
 g - a fan of gales
 o - the horn of Geryon
 p - a phial of floods
 z - a stone of tremors
 M - a phial of floods
 P - a fan of gales
 T - a phial of floods
 U - 81 phantom mirrors
Comestibles
 C - 84 bread rations

**ese-aSH** · 27/01/2015, 11h57

pour pouvoir lire le truc

To make things more exciting, I quaffed around 30 pots of beneficial mutation before I started the last one. I lost two armor slots and picked up wild magic 3, so I was forced to use two forms of wizardry to keep everything cast-able. I quaffed a few more inside the zig and my final one was mutation resistance 2 (fitting). The final list is down below.
The final zig wasn't too hard. I got sap'ed a couple of times, but I figured out a trick: from the the little nook at the end of the level I could evoke a fan of gales (which clears the area), read a scroll of fog, cancel my necromutation, quaff a pot of cancellation, and recast necro before being slaughtered. This also works on jelly levels (level 27 was jellies) to channel mana (stupid eyes of draining). I think level 24 was mummies but it was easy. There was only one FIRE level in the whole run but it was a big level and I was scared (I only had rF++ at the time and I had to swap out my cloak to bump it up).
I didn't memorize (or need) Death's Door or Borgnjor. Several people thought that was weird but it worked out fine.
I used my new favorite amulet - STASIS - for the entire run (that's right, no haste, no blinking, and no teleporting!). It was GREAT. Chaos attacks only did good things like give me might and agility. Of course, when I was using Stasis I couldn't use Clarity, so the CBoE was tricky -- I had to use the autumn katana while channeling (you can't let yourself get confused in lich form). Then I got the Clarity mutation and it was fine.

**Gobbopathe** · 27/01/2015, 15h16

Oui en effet c'est mieux.
Petite anecdote : ce matin dans le train un type vient me voir alors que je taquinais du Demonspawn de Xom dans DCSS. Il ne connaissait pas, mais sentait bien que c'était un roguelike "à lancienne". Il me disait jouer à un fork d'Angband (pas bien compris lequel, j'émergeais tout juste) en mode console, en pensant être le seul au monde à jouer à ce genre de chose. Rien d'exceptionnel, mais marrant.

**Gigax** · 27/01/2015, 15h36

Tu joues en ASCII ?

**Gobbopathe** · 27/01/2015, 15h45

Non, justement il me faisait la remarque, je lui disais que DCSS livrait des tiles d'office très lisibles donc que ce serait du vice de jouer en ASCII. Mais même avec des tiles il a du piger que c'était du roguelike. Peut-être qu'il m'observait derrière mon épaule sans que je m'en sois rendu compte.
Je lui ai montré CDDA dans la foulée en ASCII, qu'il découvrait aussi du coup

**Nattefrost** · 30/01/2015, 23h17

Code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16-a0-3465-g53c7d0b (tiles) character file.

65550 Nattefrost the Warrior (level 14, -1/132 (135) HPs)
             Began as a Minotaur Fighter on Jan 30, 2015.
             Was the Champion of Makhleb.
             Slain by a swamp dragon (10 damage)
             ... on level 5 of the Swamp.
             The game lasted 01:24:19 (22759 turns).

Nattefrost the Warrior (Minotaur Fighter)          Turns: 22759, Time: 01:24:21

HP:   -1/132 (135)  AC: 26    Str: 26    XL:     14   Next: 75%
MP:   14/14         EV: 12    Int:  5    God:    Makhleb [******]
Gold: 1542          SH: 14    Dex: 10    Spells: 0 memorised, 13 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis .     t - +5 broad axe (freeze)
rCold  + + .     Clarity  +     D - +1 plate armour {rC+}
rNeg   + . .     SustAb   .     a - +1 shield {reflect}
rPois  +         Gourm    .     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  +         Spirit   .     o - +2 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  +         Warding  .     M - +0 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (no boots)
MR     ++...                    K - amulet of resist corrosion
Stlth  ..........               m - +4 ring of protection
                                j - ring of positive energy

@: resistant, very slightly contaminated, invisible, very resistant to hostile
enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 3, clarity, fire resistance 1, mutation
resistance 2
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You were on level 5 of the Swamp.
You worshipped Makhleb.
Makhleb was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and saw 24 of its levels.
You also visited: Ossuary.

You collected 2661 gold pieces.
You spent 1119 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 t - a +5 broad axe of freezing (weapon)
Armour
 a - a +1 shield of reflection (worn)
 o - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
 D - a +1 plate armour of cold resistance (worn)
 M - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
Rods
 F - a +1 rod of clouds (11/11)
   (You found it on level 3 of the Swamp)
Jewellery
 j - a ring of positive energy (left hand)
 m - a +4 ring of protection (right hand)
 u - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit
 G - an uncursed amulet of rage
 K - an amulet of resist corrosion (around neck)
 Q - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 R - an uncursed ring of magical power
Magical devices
 q - a wand of polymorph (21)
 H - a wand of draining (5)
 I - a wand of frost (21)
 L - a wand of fire (0)
Scrolls
 h - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 k - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 l - 2 scrolls of immolation
 r - a scroll of recharging
 s - 4 scrolls of fear
 x - a scroll of blinking
 E - a scroll of magic mapping
 N - a scroll of identify
Potions
 b - a potion of ambrosia
 g - 3 potions of haste
 i - 2 potions of restore abilities
 n - 2 potions of curing
 w - 5 potions of mutation
 A - a potion of decay {unknown}
 B - 2 potions of invisibility
Miscellaneous
 e - a phial of floods
 p - 2 lamps of fire (1 inert)
Comestibles
 d - 6 bread rations
 f - 4 meat rations
 z - a slice of pizza
 C - 12 fruits
 J - 2 royal jellies


   Skills:
 + Level 15,2 Fighting
 + Level 13,6 Axes
 + Level 13,3 Armour
 + Level 13,0 Dodging
 + Level 13,2 Shields
 - Level 4,0 Invocations


You had 13 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/15)            Temple (0/1) D:7            Lair (3/8) D:11
  Swamp (5/5) Lair:3          Orc (4/4) D:11            Elf (1/3) Orc:4
 Snake: Lair:3-6    Spider: Lair:3-6    

Altars:
Cheibriados
Makhleb
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul

Shops:
D:9 [   D:10 ?   Orc:2 :   Orc:4 ([*:

Annotations:
D:11 runed door


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of large horns on your head.
You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.
Your flesh is heat resistant.
You are somewhat resistant to both further mutation and mutation removal.


Message History

You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic.
You enter the shallow water.
Moving in this stuff is going to be slow.
...and don't expect to remain undetected.
Your smoke demon barely misses the swamp dragon.
Your smoke demon hits the swamp dragon.
Your smoke demon hits the swamp dragon but does no damage.
You block the swamp dragon's attack.
The swamp dragon claws you but does no damage.
The swamp dragon tramples you but does no damage.
The swamp dragon breathes poison at your smoke demon.
The blast of poison engulfs your smoke demon.
The green death hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The swamp dragon breathes poison at you.
The blast of poison engulfs you! You resist.
Your smoke demon closely misses the swamp dragon.
Your smoke demon hits the swamp dragon but does no damage. x2
The swamp dragon bites you!
You die...

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You could see a green death, 4 swamp dragons, a friendly smoke demon and a
friendly fire elemental.

Vanquished Creatures
  Nikola (Swamp:1)
  Frances (Swamp:3)
  Donald (Orc:2)
  An orc warlord (Orc:4)
  Maud (Lair:3)
  Snorg (Swamp:3)
  10 hydras
  The ghost of Nattefrost the Fighter, a powerful GrFi of Qazlal (D:8)
  4 orc high priests (Orc:4)
  A ghost crab (Swamp:5)
  3 alligators
  A soul eater (Swamp:3)
  An unseen horror (D:11)
  4 swamp dragons
  2 shambling mangroves
  2 hill giants (D:11)
  5 orc sorcerers
  5 orc knights
  3 red wasps
  A cyclops (D:11)
  A black mamba (Lair:3)
  Joseph (D:8)
  12 spiny frogs
  An elephant (Lair:3)
  The ghost of Nattefrost the Skirmisher, an experienced TeBe of Trog (D:5)
  2 fire drakes
  A two-headed ogre (D:11)
  3 giant leeches
  2 trolls
  8 slime creatures (Swamp:5)
  2 basilisks
  2 ravens (Swamp:5)
  3 blink frogs (Lair:1)
  2 baby alligators (Swamp:2)
  4 bog bodies
  7 spriggans
  A wyvern (D:8)
  13 yaks
  2 deep elf magi (D:9)
  A hungry ghost (D:11)
  A shadow (Swamp:3)
  A steam dragon (D:5)
  2 hippogriffs
  2 wargs
  9 vampire mosquitoes
  6 wolves (Lair:2)
  Edmund (D:5)
  23 swamp worms
  30 water moccasins
  31 orc warriors
  3 porcupines
  2 necrophages
  3 ice beasts
  2 black bears
  7 yellow wasps
  5 phantoms
  7 ogres
  Sigmund (D:3)
  A big kobold (D:9)
  2 centaurs
  9 crocodiles
  7 giant frogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:11)
  4 scorpions
  A wyvern zombie (D:11)
  A water moccasin skeleton (D:4)
  11 killer bees
  4 crimson imps
  A quasit (D:9)
  4 electric eels
  7 hounds
  2 centaur zombies (Ossuary)
  2 jellies (D:11)
  30 orc priests
  2 giant frog zombies
  2 giant frog skeletons
  3 centaur skeletons
  5 iguanas
  32 orc wizards
  14 worker ants
  Ijyb (D:2)
  3 big kobold zombies (Ossuary)
  A hound zombie (D:11)
  3 mummies (Ossuary)
  28 adders
  10 gnolls
  3 shadow imps
  24 river rats
  A giant mite (D:2)
  A worm (D:2)
  2 ufetubi (Orc:3)
  An adder skeleton (D:5)
  An adder zombie (D:8)
  7 giant geckos
  3 oozes
  152 orcs
  A bat skeleton (D:6)
  A bat zombie (D:7)
  3 giant cockroaches
  13 hobgoblins
  16 jackals
  17 kobolds
  8 bats
  A giant gecko skeleton (D:6)
  3 giant newts
  16 goblins
  2 goblin zombies (Ossuary)
  A hobgoblin zombie (Ossuary)
  15 orc zombies
  11 quokkas
  A quokka skeleton (D:8)
  15 rats
  8 ballistomycetes (D:9)
  A plant (Swamp:1)
773 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A hydra (Swamp:1)
  A red wasp (Swamp:4)
  2 elephants (Lair:3)
  A hippogriff (Lair:3)
  A crocodile (Lair:3)
  An orc wizard (Orc:4)
  An iguana (Lair:3)
8 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A hellwing (Swamp:1)
  2 neqoxecs (Orc:4)
  2 ufetubi (Lair:3)
  5 orcs
  3 giant spores (D:9)
13 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 794 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Nattefrost, the Minotaur Fighter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/1
   149 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/27 MP: 1/1
   369 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting
   701 | D:2      | Noticed Ijyb
   717 | D:2      | Killed Ijyb
   717 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/34 MP: 2/2
  1498 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 39/41 MP: 2/2
  1611 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  1676 | D:3      | Noticed a phantom
  1698 | D:3      | Killed a phantom
  1698 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 32/48 MP: 2/2
  1743 | D:3      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  1803 | D:3      | Noticed Sigmund
  1818 | D:3      | Killed Sigmund
  1818 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 33/57 MP: 3/3
  1818 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
  2231 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  2265 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  2265 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging
  2339 | D:4      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  2368 | D:3      | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  2600 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 51/64 MP: 3/3
  2856 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  2863 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting
  2880 | D:5      | Acquired Makhleb's first power
  3090 | D:5      | Noticed Nattefrost's ghost (experienced TeBe)
  3118 | D:5      | Killed Nattefrost's ghost
  3118 | D:5      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 24/74 MP: 3/3
  3789 | D:5      | Noticed Edmund
  3817 | D:5      | Killed Edmund
  3817 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting
  3817 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  4453 | D:6      | Found a sand-covered staircase.
  4501 | Ossuary  | Entered an ossuary
  4667 | Ossuary  | Gained mutation: You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. [potion of mutation]
  4667 | Ossuary  | Gained mutation: You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. [potion of mutation]
  4667 | Ossuary  | Gained mutation: You have a pair of large horns on your head. [potion of mutation]
  4948 | D:6      | Acquired Makhleb's second power
  4970 | D:6      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  4977 | D:6      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  4980 | D:6      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  5443 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting
  5548 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 78/83 MP: 4/4
  5852 | D:7      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  5867 | D:7      | Acquired Makhleb's third power
  6095 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  6100 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  6226 | D:8      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  6606 | D:8      | Noticed Nattefrost's ghost (powerful GrFi)
  6631 | D:8      | Killed Nattefrost's ghost
  6631 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  6631 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 88/88 MP: 3/4
  6720 | D:8      | Acquired Makhleb's fourth power
  6851 | D:8      | Noticed Joseph
  6863 | D:8      | Killed Joseph
  7470 | D:9      | Found Xanib's Armour Boutique.
  7490 | D:9      | Gained mutation: You are somewhat resistant to both further mutation and mutation removal. [potion of beneficial mutation]
  7537 | D:9      | Bought a +2 cloak of magic resistance for 322 gold pieces
  7845 | D:9      | Acquired Makhleb's fifth power
  7959 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8492 | D:10     | Found Shrodeob's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
  8495 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  8495 | D:10     | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces
  8496 | D:10     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  8903 | D:11     | Found a runed door.
  8937 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  9017 | D:11     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 96/96 MP: 4/4
  9172 | D:11     | Noticed a cyclops
  9189 | D:11     | Killed a cyclops
  9189 | D:11     | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting
  9330 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
  9340 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
  9367 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9384 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
  9916 | Orc:3    | Noticed Donald
  9934 | Orc:2    | Killed Donald
  9934 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  9934 | Orc:2    | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
 10030 | Orc:3    | Noticed a sun demon
 10488 | Orc:2    | Found Thredix's Book Shoppe.
 10720 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 10725 | Orc:3    | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 11136 | Orc:3    | You fall through a shaft!
 11136 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 11150 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 11650 | Orc:3    | Gained mutation: Your flesh is heat resistant. [potion of mutation]
 12002 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc warlord
 12002 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 12007 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 12007 | Orc:4    | Noticed a sun demon
 12008 | Orc:4    | Noticed a sun demon
 12286 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc warlord
 12299 | Orc:4    | Reached XP level 12. HP: 56/107 MP: 6/10
 12337 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc high priest
 12337 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 12392 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc high priest
 12392 | Orc:4    | Reached skill level 12 in Fighting
 12974 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 12987 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc high priest
 13005 | Orc:4    | Found Chasm's General Store.
 13006 | Orc:4    | Found Zyphe's Book Emporium.
 13009 | Orc:4    | Found Eti Tuu's Antique Armour Emporium.
 13009 | Orc:4    | Found Mofuosokh's Antique Weapon Shoppe.
 13014 | Orc:4    | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 65 gold pieces
 13026 | Orc:4    | Bought a faintly glowing plate armour for 672 gold pieces
 13026 | Orc:4    | Identified the cursed -4 plate armour of Ideyp {+Blink rN+ rCorr} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
 13075 | Orc:4    | Noticed an orc high priest
 13087 | Orc:4    | Killed an orc high priest
 13168 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 13916 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 13966 | D:11     | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 13975 | D:11     | Killed a ten-headed hydra
 14543 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 14659 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 109/114 MP: 14/14
 14739 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 13 in Fighting
 14914 | Lair:1   | Got a scorched leather armour
 16847 | Lair:3   | Noticed Maud
 16863 | Lair:3   | Killed Maud
 16967 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 16988 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 16988 | Swamp:1  | Noticed Nikola
 17000 | Swamp:1  | Killed Nikola
 17000 | Swamp:1  | Reached skill level 14 in Fighting
 18628 | Swamp:2  | Reached XP level 14. HP: 68/128 MP: 9/14
 19460 | Swamp:3  | Identified a +1 rod of clouds (11/11) (You found it on level 3 of the Swamp)
 19764 | Swamp:3  | Noticed Snorg
 19773 | Swamp:3  | Killed Snorg
 19980 | Swamp:3  | Noticed Frances
 20148 | Swamp:3  | Killed Frances
 21156 | Swamp:4  | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting
 21664 | Swamp:5  | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp
 22759 | Swamp:5  | Slain by a swamp dragon


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: War axe           |   105 |   118 |   393 |   190 |       ||   806
       Broad axe         |       |       |       |   570 |   701 ||  1271
Invok: Minor Destruction |       |       |       |     4 |       ||     4
       Lesser Servant of |       |       |       |     2 |     8 ||    10
       Greater Servant o |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     3 |    13 ||    16
       Lamp of fire      |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |     2 |       |    12 |    10 |    16 ||    40
       Potion            |     1 |     2 |    15 |     9 |    20 ||    47
 Stab: Invisible         |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Distracted        |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
  Eat: Chunk             |     1 |       |     3 |     2 |     1 ||     7
       Bread ration      |     1 |       |     2 |     3 |     3 ||     9
       Fruit             |       |       |     2 |     4 |     5 ||    11
       Meat ration       |       |       |     1 |     1 |     1 ||     3
       Pizza             |       |       |     1 |     1 |     1 ||     3
       Beef jerky        |       |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3

Je suis triste, tout allait tellement bien dans cette partie. Je suis allé trop loin dans the swamp, j'me suis fait encercler par plusieurs swamp dragons et ma resPois a pas suffi, j'ai essayé de blink away, cramé toutes mes potions de curing, summon mes servants of makhleb pour détourner l'attention de ces monstres à écailles...en vain. Nattefrost the Minotaur fighter (worshiper of Makhleb) est mort empoisonné comme un vulgaire rat.

**Nattefrost** · 01/02/2015, 21h07

Re là dedans

.

J'ai essayé 2-3 trucs avec la gargouille et mon meilleur résultat ça a été avec gargoyle fighter et Qazlal comme dieu, je me suis dit que ça rendait très résistant et c'est le cas, en plus en montant un peu les invocations ça permet de balancer des upheaval assez efficaces (ça m'a sauvé le cul plusieurs fois). Les gargouilles étant immunisées au poison je me dis que cette fois je vais pas me faire avoir comme avec mon minotaure.

En effet j'me suis pas fait avoir pareil

: je rentre dans spider nest tout jouasse en rigolant à l'avance, pensant au poison inoffensif des araignées. Je zigouille une quinzaine d'araignées de diverses sortes en tapant dans le tas et en laissant le passif de qazlal faire du dégât... et puis deux coups d'orbes de destruction venues d'une Orb Spider, le SHield donné par le passif de Qazlal a pas suffi.

Vous en pensez quoi, est-ce que ça semble viable comme choix de race/classe/dieu ? Comment se prémunir contre les dégâts des sorts de conjuration type orb of destruction ?

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